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8/27/2014 7:40:17 PM
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[quote]One console is a nice dream, but the fact is that competition helps drive improvement and advancement.[/quote] I disagree. That statement is taken as fact for no other reason than because it has been drilled into us by society. Its particularly true in this circumstance...Sony and MS won't allow cross platform play specifically because they believe it will reduce their "competitive edge". How does this advance progress in the gaming industry? It doesn't... It limits growth. Greed trumps progress.
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  • This is an excellent point as well. Greed is a huge barrier for all of us. If we all stuck together as gamers maybe we could lessen the impact of it instead of watching it grow rampant

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  • It's taken as fact because economists have studied such things on the broad scale. If there was only one gaming console (and therefore a monopoly on video game platforms), there would be overall less rapid improvements. The company or companies controlling it would only make it better at a very gradual pace to keep people interested, which wouldn't be hard if there was only one place to go for video games and your only other options were other forms of media like movies, TV, books, etcetera. Granted, if there was still PC gaming there would still be some competition, but as it stands, PCs are always ahead in hardware compared to console anyway, so there would likely be more PC-only titles and Console-only titles as the gap between the PC and console would, if anything, widen.

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    [quote]It's taken as fact because economists have studied such things on the broad scale. If there was only one gaming console (and therefore a monopoly on video game platforms), there would be overall less rapid improvements. The company or companies controlling it would only make it better at a very gradual pace to keep people interested, which wouldn't be hard if there was only one place to go for video games and your only other options were other forms of media like movies, TV, books, etcetera. Granted, if there was still PC gaming there would still be some competition, but as it stands, PCs are always ahead in hardware compared to console anyway, so there would likely be more PC-only titles and Console-only titles as the gap between the PC and console would, if anything, widen.[/quote] True. But economists can't study what I'm talking about because it doesn't exist in reality (except on star trek or at burning man). Proving something scientifically requires observation in reality. I am not so much saying that competitive behavior inhibits progress, more that accumulating money being the end goal inhibits progress. Companies are competing for money, not to see who makes the best games. MS and Sony not allowing cross platform play is more the result of them feeling that it would reduce the profits they receive and users they can monetize...as well as be legally challenging and very costly. Those are poor reasons IMO. But things change so in our lifetime I would expect cross platform to become a reality.

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  • Oh, I get it. You're saying you have a problem with capitalism in general. Yeah, idealized communist/socialist utopia would be awesome, but every time a government has tried to operate like that in our history it didn't work due to human corruption. In just talking about in our current modern reality, having the competition is preferable to a monopoly.

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    Yup, essentially. I tend to feel that the lack of cross platform play is a symptom of this shitty part of society/human nature that measures success in money. Its not Sony/Microsofts fault, but they could do more to make it a reality I'm sure. Its not really capitalism's fault either, rather the narrow interpretation of it the majority adheres to that is really to blame. In the end we work with what we have. Its a shame ps4/Xbox players can't play with each other, we would be on equal footing in all important regards to my understanding. so it would be super interesting to be able to compare play habits/styles/quirks/scores if we all existed in the same environment.

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  • Edited by ZnaZanZ: 8/27/2014 8:16:22 PM
    [quote]I disagree. That statement is taken as fact for no other reason than because it has been drilled into us by society. Its particularly true in this circumstance...Sony and MS won't allow cross platform play specifically because they believe it will reduce their "competitive edge". How does this advance progress in the gaming industry? It doesn't... It limits growth. Greed trumps progress.[/quote] I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with either party here, but you didn't back up why you think that competition doesn't drive progress, you basically said "You are wrong because I say so", not "You are wrong because [reasons]".

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    Well...my overall point is "economies" are not necessary to human advancement. Which I don't think I can "prove" because to my knowledge no society exists within this framework. And every culture on the planet has to work with what actually exists. I could elaborate but its a big conversation that would be mostly wasted time because my perspective is so fringe that very few people would want to begin to try to grasp it. But I do think the cross platform topic articulates the problem and solution very well. I probably shouldn't have responded at all ;)

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