I'd love to play the game for a long time if it were actually fun to PLAY for a long time. You get to end game way too fast, and then at end game the ways to get high gear are so repetitively boring that it isn't even that fun. The loot drops are so badly randomized that you can do all the best and right things, yet still get crap because the randomness isn't rewarding, and if not that, it isn't based on how good you do or what you do. I hate to bring in another game as an example, but look at WoW. That MMO has a loot system that constantly rewards you from start to end game, and then when you hit end game, it is actually fun to grind for better loot (in most cases). This game's loot system is so terrible that it just ISN'T fun.

At this point I'd have to describe anything that could save this game as a trick up their sleeve. It would have to be a major "we knew and this was going to be the answer all along" kind of moment in history. Otherwise......I just dont see this being fixed with little patches here and there. And the lack of creativity all around (if there isnt a game changing "trick") just means anything we've yet to see will probably be more of the same.

Lemme give a throw at clarifying all these arguments, all these posts i've looked at and all your responses. You're basically saying that it's ok for people to sit around in pvp, letting the team lose, or feed the enemy team; and then get rewarded for it. Also that players that try to play shouldn't feel entitled to earn the reward they worked for? That there is no point to try because winning gives you no ranking or better chance for items. You might as well play with your feet because in the end, with no ranking/ *REWARD/ k.d, you're just showing up to the party and maybe you'll get something, and maybe you wont. All that matters is if you had fun. Makes a whole lot of sense for a casual game right? I mean, judging from the input time Bungie expected from its players (way less than 3 hours a day at max) it would be considered casual. Unfortunately though everyone is playing a competitive game. What do competitive games do? They reward you at the end for how well you played, whether it be a ton more exp towards your next rank or an unlock of a new item. We aren't talking about leveling our gear that we have though, because you get exp no matter what. We are talking about getting rewarded from the *reward screen at the end of the game. Why should someone get rewarded for clowning around? Because they are playing the game? Well fine, give them something, but it shouldn't be something great. Theres a reason why theres a first place, second, and even third. That reason is because those people are supposed to be rewarded with better loot than those below them. Sure unskilled players deserve a chance at the game, they can play all they like, but they shouldn't have the same opportunity at a legendary as everyone else. Being at the top is supposed to mean something. So isn't being at the bottom. Why is there no divider in rewards? Sure you can't always expect to earn something, that's why it's random. But even something that's random has a base of chance. A percentage that can be modified so players at the top have a better chance at getting a good roll than players at the bottom. Gear should be something earned, not acquired. If theres nothing to be earned there might as well be a loot cave and open trading because there is no skill level, it's all gear based. So yes it does matter if you aren't getting rewarded for doing good and you are if you are doing bad. Rolling the dice gives you what you get. Rolling the dice for a competitive loot system, well that needs a bit more work than just rolling. There needs to be modifiers for the top 3 to have a higher chance than those at the bottom 3. The kind of rolling that cruciable should only be for strikes an missions as well as engram drops. It's not meant for competitive gametypes.

Really, you would make a horrible governmental leader... People SHOULD be REWARDED for doing good things. If you got nothing for doing good, nobody would do it! It's as simple as that. People do things that benefit them.

Those who do well and benefit the team should be rewarded those who don't shouldn't. Social Darwinism I don't like it but it applies very well here, survival of the fittest, the lazy and unskilled are eaten by the world.