Haha games vs society is this a joke? Seriously missing #satire here. So people who enjoy the game even without being good at should never ever get any good drop. Wow. Just wow.

Yeah. That's exactly right. That's how it should be. Players should be rewarded on performance, not just chance.

I didn't know only elitist and hardcore gamers can get exotics from pvp. I can't believe this. Agreed better games should mean a better chance but seriously not being good = no reward come on

That's a bad mindset. Not just for gaming, for anything else. If you have a low GPA, or bomb you SATs sorry sunshine, you're not getting into a good school, PERIOD. Getting rewarded for being bad is like getting a trophy of participation. Throwing trophies at insecure children won't make them any better. You have to push them and reward them only when they have EARNED a reward.

This might be the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

You understand it's a game right?.. I understand what you are saying but you are saying trying and failing is equal to not trying at all? Logic man.

It seems I miscommunicated to you. I do understand it's a game. Which is why I quit responding. I was saying that if you try and fail, try again. Learn from your mistakes, and get better. I'm done talking about this cause there will always be those who agree with me and those with way too much compassion.

MMM, So what about the peeps with disabilities or bad hand eye co-ord playing the game, they may never be fantastic at pulling off multi headshots and may die a lot, but most put in more effort than a good natural player might. Do we call them failures do we mock them do we make them wish they never picked up the game. You forget the games are made for whole cross sections of bods and not every one will improve with practice. Failure is part of life but so is showing compassion to those who require help, but I suppose the backstabbing world of the successful forgets that.

In a way this is totally illogical. If you can already perform with what you have, you clearly need the gear rewards much less than the people who aren't as skilled and cant perform as well. This reward system serves as nothing other than a way to potentially close the skill gap. If only the people who top teams are rewarded, the skill gap widens and the people who are already getting stomped, just get stomped harder and harder until they eventually crack and just stop playing altogether. The developers never said "we will reward you only for performing well" its merely just a reward for playing, period. They also dont get the sense of enjoyment the people who do well have the priviledge of, in having a decent score or KDR. Put yourself in their shoes, everyone has been there at some stage, and it's hard to stay motivated to play when you just get destroyed round after round. It would be more so if the people already stomping you get rewarded, so they can just stomp you much more efficiently. Idlers on the other hand though, should have an option in the report player dialogue especially for them, and should be dealt with accordingly. A quick check of their play history would make it easy to ascertain whether they have a history of doing it or not. They are the plague of the playerbase, and should be dealt with or removed from it accordingly.

First thanks for taking the time to type all that and express your opinion. I see what you're saying, but I still don't agree… fully. There is an entire PVE part if this game that allows you to get gear as well. I'm not that great in the crucible. I get my desired weapon by doing PVE and then bring it in the crucible. Also, your gear only plays a part in the crucible by the stats modifiers on it, not its defense. Remember a level 11 can come in and compete with level 20+. I've literally been demolished by lower levels because they were more skilled. They obviously weren't using exotics. I understand the economics of sustaining your player base. This was only my expressed opinion, and not necessarily what I think Bungie should do. Although they are free to use any of my ideas as they see fit.

Using your logic, the world becomes like in the story Harrison Bergeron. Look it up and read it. No one can be truly "equal". Only treated equally inspire of or despite their differences. That being said, people should be rewarded for hard work/skill; otherwise society becomes despotic.

This isnt society though. It's a video game, which is developed with the intention of being an escape from peoples actual lives, and for as many people as possible to derive some form of enjoyment from it. Also, without the casuals who make up the majority of the playerbase, the game would never survive long-term anyway. While i realise there is no such thing as total equality, closing the skill gap (at least a bit) for the casuals to at least derive some form of enjoyment by being able to actually maybe kill people every now and then throughout their stompings, and by being rewarded every now and then is a completely fair trade-off.