You should probably just not even buy the game of 35$ is a lot to you. I'm a full time college student and work part time and live on my own and that isn't much for the amount of content that will be dropped with the dlc.

[quote] 1. This game is not an "MMO" 2. Many "MMO's" do not have a subscription fee(Aion, Tera, etc) and many of the others that do don't charge for "expansions"(EVE Online, FF14: ARR) [/quote] It's not an MMO, but generally speaking, most MMO type games are the ones that allow you to pour 100's of hours into and still have things to do while evolving over their life span. Destiny isn't a single person game either where you beat the 15 hour story and never play it again. It's somewhere in the middle, maybe even a new genre, why can't you be happy you have been able to play a game as much as you have (look at your profile) for only $60? I am very happy with a game that has allowed me to play about 70 hours so far and am still not be bored despite it not being an MMO. Also, the MMOs you listed may not be pay to play, but you cant say those games are doing or have done as well as a game like WoW or games where you pay for fresh content - those payments pay for the development and evolution of the game. [quote] 3. The only reason WOW still has a subscription fee is because Blizzard knows people are overly invested in the game and will continue to pay even if their game is quickly becoming dated, they simply can't let all their hours poured into the game be for nothing. (It should be noted that this is a similar defense tactic that I'm seeing as people try to justify this on-disc DLC horseshit) [/quote] I disagree completely. People stop playing wow when the content gets old. I don't come back to wow because I have invested too much time into it, I come back every xpac to see the new changes and play the game until I get bored again, which is usually when life gets too busy or after the last raid is released and has been out for a while (I'm a filthy casual as someone before you pointed out). Then I unsubscribe and repeat. [quote] 4. Nobody is questioning the stability of your income or whether or not you can or can't afford to pay for this on-disc "DLC". People are asking WHY they should have to pay for something that they literally ALREADY PAYED FOR. No amount of twisting the truth will make this the right thing to do and only a fool or Activision/Bungie themselves would defend this kind of practice, end of discussion. [/quote] Again, how do you know all of the DLC is already on disc? You don't. You are acting like it's 100% fact that it is already on the disc. Ill say this again, looking at your profile, you have EASILY got your $60 worth from this game (and then some), so so what of the entire DLC IS on the disc? You have got what you paid for because they put enough content in the game for people like you and me to play this game for 60+ hours. This all comes back to entitlement. How many hours of pre DLC content should you be entitled to? If you think it's more than how much you have played, then there's your issue.

[quote]It's hardly a dying system. People cancel their subs when they get bored of content and then they comeback when an expac is released. 95% of people buy the expacs and come back for at least a little while (I'm in this category). More people play WoW than Guild Wars 2 so I'm not sure how much merit this point has.[/quote] Everytime I hear from WoW the number of subscription is more and more less. Servers getting closed and reorganised so you have some full worlds WoW is hardly the last "succesful" game with this system of payment. Gw2 has ~7 million active Accounts. WoW had in Q2 2014 nearly the same. WoW had in his best times 14 millions if i can remember this right (was showed at some Trailers with Chuck Norris and Mr. T) This is an loss of almost 50%! So I think we can compare both games in terms of playernumbers. What makes GW2 so outstanding is, that you buy the game for around 50 bucks and then you haven't to pay anything. You have an Ingameshop which requires a currency, which is easily achieved by Ingame Gold. All things you can buy there are different from the Stuff you can get ingame, so everyone sees, you bought it (so it is no offense against guys, who grinded there gear hardly) and this things give no gamebreaking advantages. The only things are XP Booster and endless ressourcetools like pickaxes. Why bungie did not go for this train? You, as a customer, can actually control your costs easily. As a developer, it isn't hard to create content. Gw2 showes, that this model has a future. In terms of balancing. I think it is absurd to say, you have to pay DLC so they can make the Matchmaking, or better the whole PVP enjoyable. Every other Game has updates in Balance too and they didn't needed money for DLC. There are enough fair and square models for funding big team. Every single one of us pay not just the game and its DLC. You need an XBOX Live Gold or PS Plus membership. If you want so, you pay monthly to use certain features. Ok this fees don't go to Bungie, but this is one of the reasons, it would be outrageous if they want a monthly fee. But to come back to the begin. This complete discussion goes with the claim, this content is already on the disk. If it isn't I'am totaly fine with it. If it is, much more folks will be really pissed. And thats the last thing you want as a developer. have a pissed community. These guys, don't buy anything you give them. Thats the thing I do not understand why Bungie isn't talking in some way's with us. Why there is no official statement? Why they give the press her copies so late? They feared the response. They know they did bullshit at some certain points and don't want to lost there Pre-Order numbers. They fear the contact with us players and thats never a good sign And in terms of storytelling. GW2 had an completed Story with choices, emotional moments and an dramaturgic approach with an start, and middle part and an big final. Destiny has just a start and then it ends. For the DLC size argument. I never saw a change at an downloadcontent in terms of his size. It is very likely that this is the real size for the download But as you said, no proof just speculation. sincerly ScaleoJ