[quote]Without the meat from animals you would not be on this planet today or even have your opinion!![/quote]Irrelevant. Our ancestors did plenty of immoral things that we don't continue to do today. [quote]There is no reason to turn vegan, in fact you are less healthy that a meat eater, so get your facts straight.[/quote]There are plenty of ethical reasons to do so. And no, a vegan diet is just as healthy as a meat based one when done properly. This is a fact. [quote]yes, caging animals to make them fatter, or drugging them is of course wrong.[/quote]You just listed a reason to turn vegan. [quote]Meat, dairy and fish could all be supplied in a humane way of course.[/quote]Except they are not, so it is only sensible to stop eating them anyway. Simply preaching your ideals of how things [i]should[/i] be and thinking that makes it okay to keep doing something is insincere and irrational. And "killed humanely" is an oxymoron anyway, because it was never necessary to kill them in the first place. [quote]in regards to the veggies you eat today, most likely the larger percentage are not native to your country. Just like the animals we eat, the majority would not survive without the assistance of Human intervention.[/quote]That has nothing to do with killing animals for food. [quote]you cannot have everything you want in this life.[/quote]A poor excuse. We must make the most of our life to help others and leave the world a better place than we found it. [quote]Don't cut the trees down (write a letter petition on paper...) paper comes from trees...[/quote]Paper can be sustainably sourced. [quote]Stop global warming (bet you have an unreliable VW hippy van that east petrol...[/quote]None of these are relevant to the discussion at hand. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque [quote]You don't like the way that it's killed? Would you risk your life for a cows?[/quote]Again this has nothing to do with being against animal farming. There is no need to risk anyone's life because the solution is simple -- stop unnecessarily killing animals. [quote]As you can see this might be a bit drastic...[/quote]Yes, and it didn't make a relevant point. [quote]But at the end of it all just proves, there is balance in this world and without it, we would all be absolutely FU**ED just like the vegans!! Thank you[/quote]What are you talking about? The world would be much more prosperous, and compassionate, and [i]balanced[/i] if we stopped eating animal products.