[quote]I'm simply stating that killing and eating animals is for [u]survival.[/u][/quote]Then your argument is rendered invalid, because "survival" is nonexistent in today's society. We no longer have to scrabble around the wilderness in a constant struggle for sustenance. "Survival" is simply a case of driving to the supermarket. It's good that you brought up lions, because lions do plenty of things that we don't. Infanticide, for example; this is a common occurrence in nature. Does that make it acceptable to kill your children? Because it's natural? By your logic, the answer is yes. Again, using the behavior of other animals, or that of our primitive ancestors, as guides to what we should do [i]now[/i] is foolish. The whole reason civilisations and societies progress is because they move [i]away[/i] from the animalistic practices of their brethren.