I am using an iPhone to reply to this, so understand I cannot use the quote system. However referring to the points you have made most recently. You said a wolf cannot comprehend right from wrong? Effectively naming it "immoral" unable to decide whether it kills animals to survive or for fun... Haha this makes me laugh so much, a wolf is an unbelievable intelligent mammal that can survive the harshest conditions on earth, and does so by eating meat. Do you think if the wolf lived on the beach lazing in the sun with a cocktail enjoy the view it would turn down a nice juicy stake? Is that because it is too "stubborn" to choose a stick of celery... No my friend, the wolf enjoys eating meat just like the majority of the planet. You are the minority, fighting an endless battle. I don't need quotes from the internet that were sourced using biased search references. If I google meat or veggies, there will be more posts about how veggies are better for you, the number 1 reason for that is... Because only vegans open up a complaint about it... Everything I say is off the cuff, I have enough experience in my life to make up my own decision on what is right or wrong and yes I am a realist. - I don't agree with cruelty to animals - I agree with the oxymoronic saying "kill in a humane way" (would you rather bleeding to death or being shot in the head? Maybe you should answer that because with what is going on in the world today, unfortunately some humans have to make that choice aswell!!) - I don't believe in wasting food, or cooking unnecessarily. - I am on the same page as you for a lot of valid points on how we treat this "world" we call home. And for you to turn round and dismiss my point about the past, really invigorates me to reply to you about the future. If you don't look at the past, your eyes will never see the future and what can be made of it. I don't live in the history of mankind I live in the future, where there is meat. Meat is the past, present and future. This could be said for you to read. But at this Moment 100,000s of cows are being killed, and 1,000,000s of people are eating steak right now, most of them are enjoying it. Whilst you and your group of supposed humanitarians are complaining about why we should not eat it. I am stubborn yes. But as you said you once ate meat, now you don't. Most likely a personal decision related to personal health factors, is the reason why you don't eat it now... Do you feel empowered to convert others to your "religion" do you believe that you are the voice in the darkness that can bring us to light?? Will I die if I don't convert? "After life is death, after eating is pooing, after rain there is sun, after after was before..." The world keeps spinning and spinning and you or I will not live any longer than each other, I'm not scared of death just like the poor cow. If I was going to be murdered or beheaded like the poor sufferers recently, I would cry at the thought of not being able to hold my family, friends, fiancé... Not that I would miss my veggies!!! A leopard never changes it's spots... Stop going out of your way to selfishly invoke the atrocities that are committed by humans onto others who are just enjoying this very short Moment in this vast spiritual universe. You once ate meat, but your opinion is no more valid. You enjoyed the taste and you benefited from the nutrition. So what you have had enough of eating it. Keep it to yourself! I replied because I have a friend who recently converted to vegetarian abruptly, now he thinks he's Gandhi... One day you will realise what you're missing. Maybe when your 60 years old. Don't come back with some stupid comment about how my points were not valid, as I didn't have to use google to answer my questions...