[quote]There are vegan options for all essential nutrients, be it through plants, supplements or fortified foods.[/quote] You can get all of the essential nutrients through supplements. Hell, you could just chug pills all day and still get what you need to live, but let's be honest here, would that really appeal to anyone? Now if you simply do not like the taste of meat or itself in general then that's perfectly fine, but you cannot say that eating something* that you don't like to eat is unethical and senseless, that's just ignorant. [Spoiler]* edible foods that have a healthy nutritional value. Just incase if you wanted to make the argument that a person would eat dog shit or something if of the sort[/Spoiler]

You cannot "chug pills all day" and manage to live healthily. Your body needs calories, amino acids and digestive enzymes to break down and absorb the proper nutrients. It has been shown repeatedly that this is sustainable through a vegan diet. I find it rather dishonest when people reduce it to simply "food". "Oh, how is it unethical? It's just food." No, it's not. Without getting too preachy, sentient animals are subjected to unimaginable pain and suffering (and obviously death) before becoming that neat little piece of food on your plate. There [b]are[/b] ethical concerns here. Serious ones.

Just like you held me up to the standard, I need a source. [spoiler]any non-Wikipedia site would be preferred[/spoiler]

http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/help-vitamin-supplement Rather unsurprisingly, there aren't many articles dedicated to this because it's pretty obvious (no offense). Without calories, you'll die. Vitamins don't have calories. And they won't be digested.

What seems interesting is that this came up around page 3 of the article you suggested. [spoiler] Most adults and children don’t get enough calcium, vitamin D, or potassium according to the 2010 Dietary Guidelines. Potassium-rich foods, including fruits, vegetables, dairy, and [b]meat[/b] are the best ways to fill in potassium gaps. [/spoiler] Also this, [spoiler] Anyone whose diet lacks the 40-plus nutrients needed for good health may benefit from vitamin and mineral supplements. In general, the following groups can be helped, but they should consult their doctor or a registered dietitian when deciding if they need a supplement or choosing one: •Pregnant and lactating women •[b]Vegans and some people on vegetarian diets[/b] •Anyone on a low-calorie diet (intentional and unintentional) •Certain disease states (including people with a history of cancer) •People who suffer from food allergies or intolerances •Picky eaters who limit food groups, or have limited variety within food groups •Anyone with a poor diet •People taking certain medications [/spoiler] This proves that having a vegan diet does not let you acquire all the nutrients your body needs and you would need to rely on supplements for the those not found in your diet. This whereas I also find in the article, [spoiler] Think nutritious food first, and then supplement the gaps. Start by filling your grocery cart with a variety of nourishing, nutrient-rich foods. Use the federal government's My Plate nutrition guide to help make sure your meals and snacks include all the parts of a healthy meal. [/spoiler] Cannot find a link to a direct picture, but if you scroll down to the page I'll cite, you will see a bar-organized list http://www.disabled-world.com/fitness/nutrition/myplate.php

I never denied that meat is a more efficient way of acquiring certain nutrients. I am saying that a vegan diet, while needing marginally more attention, is still perfectly viable. And health isn't the only concern. If it were we wouldn't be having this discussion.

You also have to consider that people will have different morals than you. Moralities and a personal sense of logic is what makes individuals think differently. One person might have the same ethical standards as you, i.e. Other vegans on this matter, as another person would disagree such as myself. The same thing can be said to a Christian and an atheist as well as a liberal to a conservative. *this is returning to a comment where you said about this being an ethical matter*

"Personal sense of logic " Literally no such thing. Logic is objective. If it didn't exist outside of subjective preference, and irrationality, it wouldn't exist at all. I suppose people can [i]think[/i] they have a personal sense of logic, but that doesn't mean their beliefs are actually logical. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj9oB4zpHww&persist_app=1&app=desktop&gl=AU&hl=en-GB&client=mv-google]Well worth watching.[/url]

[quote]I suppose people can [i]think[/i] they have a personal sense of logic, but that doesn't mean their beliefs are actually logical.[/quote] Exactly what I tried to say but couldn't for lack of a better word, but I suppose you picked up on the point I was making. The Internet is full of people who think that their beliefs are the best and the most logical (in their mind) and those people love to start a debate on how the other person is an idiot and they are the only logical person, when in reality, they are just sheep who will follow on something and defend it until death. But to stay on the issue, I'm sure, for the most part, that people regardless of how and what they eat, care about the well being of animals. But humans [b]are[/b] animals and we will never stop being animals. Animals eat other animals, animals tend to stay in groups, animals also care for their young, and [b]only[/b] their young. This behavior is in our society because we are what we eat.

I really would appreciate it if you watched the video (assuming you haven't). Yes, we are animals, but we are also the only animals that are cognitively developed enough to discern right from wrong (that we know of). This places more responsibility upon us than other, less developed animals.

Oh I did. It's a very good watch indeed. I see your points and why you are vegan, but frankly I just don't agree with it in general. Let's just agree to disagree because we are just throwing out points that aren't swaying the either of us. Good luck to you and your endeavors.