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Edited by Pendulate:
9/30/2014 6:39:38 AM
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I never denied that meat is a more efficient way of acquiring certain nutrients. I am saying that a vegan diet, while needing marginally more attention, is still perfectly viable. And health isn't the only concern. If it were we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Edited by DeafFB0: 9/30/2014 6:59:39 AMYou also have to consider that people will have different morals than you. Moralities and a personal sense of logic is what makes individuals think differently. One person might have the same ethical standards as you, i.e. Other vegans on this matter, as another person would disagree such as myself. The same thing can be said to a Christian and an atheist as well as a liberal to a conservative. *this is returning to a comment where you said about this being an ethical matter*
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Edited by Pendulate: 9/30/2014 7:36:19 AM"Personal sense of logic " Literally no such thing. Logic is objective. If it didn't exist outside of subjective preference, and irrationality, it wouldn't exist at all. I suppose people can [i]think[/i] they have a personal sense of logic, but that doesn't mean their beliefs are actually logical. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj9oB4zpHww&persist_app=1&app=desktop&gl=AU&hl=en-GB&client=mv-google]Well worth watching.[/url]
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[quote]I suppose people can [i]think[/i] they have a personal sense of logic, but that doesn't mean their beliefs are actually logical.[/quote] Exactly what I tried to say but couldn't for lack of a better word, but I suppose you picked up on the point I was making. The Internet is full of people who think that their beliefs are the best and the most logical (in their mind) and those people love to start a debate on how the other person is an idiot and they are the only logical person, when in reality, they are just sheep who will follow on something and defend it until death. But to stay on the issue, I'm sure, for the most part, that people regardless of how and what they eat, care about the well being of animals. But humans [b]are[/b] animals and we will never stop being animals. Animals eat other animals, animals tend to stay in groups, animals also care for their young, and [b]only[/b] their young. This behavior is in our society because we are what we eat.
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Edited by Pendulate: 9/30/2014 9:03:59 AMI really would appreciate it if you watched the video (assuming you haven't). Yes, we are animals, but we are also the only animals that are cognitively developed enough to discern right from wrong (that we know of). This places more responsibility upon us than other, less developed animals.
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Oh I did. It's a very good watch indeed. I see your points and why you are vegan, but frankly I just don't agree with it in general. Let's just agree to disagree because we are just throwing out points that aren't swaying the either of us. Good luck to you and your endeavors.
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Same to you. Thanks for the discussion.
