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I completely agree that using a bug or glitching is against the terms, and when it comes to someone using a bug or a glitch to ruin your game, like the guy who shot you through the floor, I think that needs to be fixed and he needs to be reported for glitching. I totally understand your frustration. These guys hid so you were the only target and ended up dying. It's not right. But if you take a specific action in order to cause your teammate to die on purpose, that is definitely against the Destiny EULA. I apologize if I seemed like I was attacking you, because that wasn't what I was going for, I am just trying to say that when Bungie sees a couple of guys glitching into a wall, they think: "Okay we need to fix that wall." When they see a player pushing others into harms way they think: "If this is the way this guy plays, by deliberately getting team mates killed, then maybe he needs a ban." I just recommend reporting bugs and letting Bungie know how they are ruining the experience rather than trying to take matters into your own hands. The cave farming was a good example of how many felt that cave farmers were getting an unfair advantage. Bungie did nerf the cave eventually, and also stated that if you were sitting in the cave to prevent this kind of farming, you were in violation of the EULA because you were preventing other players from playing the way they want to.
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  • I did report those two guys, but honestely I was also worried about getting banned from Xbox Live, because I was in the same strike group as two bugusers.I didn't push them down because I was frustrated or something like that. I don't consider these "Survive one strike"-bounties as something that's hard to accomplish. I always try to combine those bounties with other bounties and after one or two strikes I got it in most cases. What bugged me most were their actions. I'm not okay with people using bugs or cheats in an online game. I'm also not okay with people who let other people die on purpose. They did the same thing to me too, you know? Everything in this strike immediately focussed on my when they hid in their little corner outside the map. That's just a cheap move, at least in my opinion. But I primary pushed them down so they move back on this map. They got the message and did so by the way. My goal was not to ruin their game, it was to communicate to them that I want them to play fair. There was no voice chat where I could say something like "Guys? Could you please help me?" or "Well.. you should move now, otherwise I will report you". There was only one thing I could do. It's pushing them. I wasn't even sure I could push people before I did.. ;) And I only did it twice. There were two people in one strike mission doing this. Normally I'm not trolling people. I'm one of those guys who sits besides afk'lers and gives them some cover until they return instead of.. just moving on and letting them die. I'm not an asshole. Most times I try to help other players, even if you wont believe me this. I'm a teamplayer, not a troll. And if there would have been a way to communicate to them otherwise, so I could let them know that I'm not okay with what they are doing there.. I would have chosen that option. "Bungie did nerf the cave eventually, and also stated that if you were sitting in the cave to prevent this kind of farming, you were in violation of the EULA because you were preventing other players from playing the way they want to." Yeah, that's Bungie. They are free to ban me, if they like to. If they think pushing two bugusing guys over a cliff is worth a ban.. well.. than they should swing their legendary banhammer on me. I'm sure this will send out the right signals. In this case it would mean bugusing is okay, trying to do something against it is not. This would be great. Oh, and don't worry. I didn't thought you were trying to attack me with your postings. My english is not that good so it sometimes happens that I can't communicate things the way I want to. But I got your point. A lot of other people in here insulted me, but I did not consider you as one of them. I'm okay if people have different opinions than I. It's just been my point that I don't like bugusing and that I don't want to be a part of it. Reporting people for using bugs doesn't prevent getting banned for them as well. Once I jumped to their spot to look what they were up to. Right there I used accidentely their bug as well for a few moments. It took some time before I realized what's going on there. I used my melee twice and went back into the game. After a few moments those two guys also were back in the game and played the rest of this games session without using any bugs. I think people need to know that it's not just Bungie that's against bugusing. Other players are against it as well.. at least the ones who like things like fair play. If Bungie wants to ban me for this one strike mission.. alright.. it's their decision. But in the end they prevented me from playing the game the way I wanted as well. Their behaivor forced me to choose otherwise between "dying all the time without getting revived by my teammates" or "using that bug by myself". That's not okay either.

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  • Now that you have taken the time, explained it in a way that I understand your point of view a lot better, I have to say I appreciate your position on it and tend to agree with you, especially when you think they might be getting you banned for glitching when you personally don't want to glitch or use bugs. I misunderstood your original post and thought that you were talking about pushing people off of a ledge to their death, not pushing people back into a map from a glitch spot.

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  • I thought they have to respawn back in front of this main room if I wouldn't revive them and if they once did that there might be a chance that they wont try using this corner again in this match. I never had the intention to kill them all the time, just because I died because of them. I'm okay with dying.. in games. How they acted was just disrespectfull in my opinion and I saw this whole situation as.. critical. You must know I actually got banned once because of something like that. It was in SWTOR. I was in a group and my party members just glitched to the end boss while I was still trying to figure out where they have gone :D Fortunatelly I recorded this match (for my review video) and send it together with my complaint (got banned without doing anything wrong!) to EA where my ban immediately got removed. Still.. if something like this happens once to you it's something you wont forget. Right now Bungie isn't known for their customer support. I don't think they remove bans fast if they hit the wrong persons.

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