[quote]It just goes to show you. all the whining about weapons being OP is complete bullshit. and pvp is actually balanced. -blam!- YES! take that whiners![/quote] That is an entire different discussion where people argue about the effectivness and stats of certain weapons (like the Mythoclasts fire rate or the Suros Regime's range and stability). What is being discussed here is how higher tier weapons can make no difference while being in a lvl enabled playlist where it is expected to have a higher damage output(the only thing taken away in standard Crucible from weapons, all other stats stay).