[quote]Although I have both, its still laughing at you subhuman plebeians that do not have Patience and Time. Those of you with Patience and Time, like myself, this is your moment to bask in the glory of your superiority.[/quote] I have both.. I got ice breaker 2nd week the game came out from a purple wngram, and patience and time from crucible. Ice breaker destroys patience and time, any day of the week in PvE Patience and time beats ice breaker PvP.