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Edited by Steel Assassin:
10/13/2014 5:54:25 PM
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Edit: I think the narrator was actually the Traveler
Surprised you didn't elaborate on the Titanomachy, which is Greek mythology. It talks about the battle between three generations of gods [b][I]before humanity entered the fray[/I][/b]: The primordial gods, their children the Titans, and their children, the Olympian gods. Because of that, because the Titanomachy is before humanity's existence, I think this deals with the Traveler, not Rasputin. Of course,it could also mean before we, the Guardians we play as, enter the fray instead.
In the same grimiore card that discusses the Titanomachy, it talks about an entity known as "the gardener." I took that to mean a godlike entity that (at least at first) ruled over the Vex, at least until IT defeated the gardener. Given that the gardener was stronger than the narrator of the card, but not strong enough to defeat IT, I theorized that the gardener is a reference to a Titan; specifically, Chronos, the god of Time. Given that time travel is an important feature of the Vex, it seems to fit nicely.
I think then that IT/The Darkness is a primordial god in the reference, either Chaos (the Void), or perhaps more fittingly, Erebus (the DARKNESS).
Stolen from Wikipedia: [quote]The perceived meaning of Erebus is "darkness"; the first recorded instance of it was "[u]place of darkness between earth and Hades.[/u]"[/quote]
Primordial deities in Greek mythology are also "depicted as places or realms" or simply as elements of nature. In another grimiore card (I can dig for it if you like), Toland describes the Darkness as a force of nature; there's no 'reason' to it, it just simply is, it exists because it [b][I]wins[/I][/b].
Whether I'm right or wrong about the narrator being the Traveler, it certainly seems that that Titanomachy is important to consider.
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Thank you I was just going to put a hit out on some info for Titanomachy, Thanks.
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No problem. Despite a different theory, the explanation and connection to the Titanomachy should fit yours too.
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I believe The Gardener is The Traveler. IT fought The Traveler and won, because The Traveler did not shrug its shoulders and make itself alone. Meaning it did not sacrifice those it was protecting. It did not let go of the burden/responsibility of protecting humanity. IT(the Darkness) doesn't care for its minions, protecting them is not a burden IT carries. And that is why IT always wins. Rasputin learned a lesson in ruthlessness. We built him to be stronger than us, and learn. He learned that being alone, without the responsibility of protecting anyone, will allow him to be ruthless enough to defeat IT.
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That is an interesting thought, that the Traveler is the Gardener. One of the grimiore cards makes note of it cultivating many planets, so it definitely could be argued it is the Gardener. However, there are theories listed in the cards that state perhaps the Traveler knew the Darkness was coming, and that we died as the result. [spoiler][quote]"Certain positions...imply that the Traveler itself triggered the Collapse, or that it knew the Darkness was coming for it and hoped to use the Solar System as a sacrifice or a proxy army. The Binary Star cult is one notable example." [/quote][/spoiler] [spoiler]Ghost Fragment: The Traveler [quote]"Now, your flight is rapid, your vast mind infected with such dread and toxic doubt that you find yourself afraid of the simple act of thought. And it is your children you must turn to now, in time of need.[/quote][/spoiler] Both these things sound like the Traveler needed humanity to fight for it, that the Collapse was known by the Traveler. That, perhaps the Collapse itself was due to the Traveler "shrugging its shoulders." There's also the Legend: The Black Garden Card, which speaks about how the Traveler and its followers are unwelcome to the Black Garden, how it's a place of life, and all the Guardians will ever do is kill.
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There is some interesting concept art from early in the developement that implied that the black garden was contained within a large sphere... http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/09/29/destinys-lost-story-reveals-a-very-different-game-prior-to-launch/ (2nd image if you scroll down) As if the garden weren't always black but had been made that way after IT defeated the gardener - this ties into why defeating the black heart of the guarden would allow the traveler to begin to heal..perhaps?
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Edited by Steel Assassin: 10/13/2014 5:44:02 PMPerhaps. Though there is also a grimiore card that talks about how planets were crafted into one gigantic sphere that one could live within, with it's own suns. It could be that this card is referring to the Black Garden. This makes more sense, I think, as the Garden is a bit too large to be inside the Traveler. I think.
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There's a grimore card that say the traveler opened up the ground and brang life to the garden. Making the Traveler The Gardener and it mentioned other gardeners as bronze=[b]The Vex[/b]
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Edited by Steel Assassin: 10/13/2014 6:31:44 PMWell, here's more of the card you referenced, and it seems to refute the belief further that the Traveler is the Gardener: [spoiler][quote]"The Traveler moved across the iron world. It opened the earth and stitched shut the sky. It made life possible... [u]This is not the beginning but it is the reason.[/u] The Ghost[rose] said, you are a dead thing made by a dead power in the shape of the dead. All you will ever do is kill. The Traveler is life, I said. You are a creature of Darkness. You seek to deceive me. But I looked behind me, down the long slope where the blossoms tumbled in the warm wind and the great trees wept sap like blood or wine, and I felt doubt." [/quote][/spoiler]
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yeah I just checked it, so the Traveler probably isn't the gardener of the black garden, but the way they put it here they say that the traveler Teraformed the planets in a gardener like way. Who this Gardener of the black garden is I have now Idea, but there's supposed to be a mission in the dlc where we go back to the garden hopefully this reveals more information.
