originally posted in:Spears of Destiny
Edit: Congrats everyone we were successful (at least in part) Please read Bungie's newest announcement here http://www.bungie.net/7_Bungie-Weekly-Update---10172014/en/News/News?aid=12295
DeeJ,
I have waited for destiny for a long time and had high hopes, but now you have proven to me that you have no idea what players want. This patch/suicide note, is absolute crap. I was a good little fanboy, I was willing to overlook the flaws in story line, gameplay, crap PvP, and mission design (yay protect dinglebot again while he performs a task that takes the storyline nowhere, I love this one!) I was even willing to overlook the insane bullet absorbing ability of every boss, and the fact that higher difficulty just meant adding oversheilds and even more damage absorbing powers, instead of a need for a new strategy. I was even willing to find 5 other players who had high levels, and enjoy dealing with frustrating glitches (oh look the portal didn't teleport me when I stepped through it again, guess that's a wipe guys, let's start over) and all because I wanted the best weapon in the game, you know a weapon that said "this guy went through days of the gaming equivalent to water boarding to get that, he earned it" so that you could nerf it by a third! Screw you bungie!
With great skill comes great reward, or now in this case with great skill comes the same stupid garbage that everyone else can find on the ground from a lvl one enemy! Do you understand nothing about what motivates gamers, and especially MMO gamers? We want that item that wails on people and does more damage than any other, because we earned it! The sense of accomplishment after doing the immposible and then having others recognize what you have achieved. It is the same reason we level in the first place, so that we can go back, find the mobs that killed us before and destroy them utterly, and in record time! (Btw you screwed that up as well, I shouldn't need to shoot a lvl 5 mob 4 times to kill them at level 29, they should explode, and peices of them should rain down on me as if its a blessing from some wrathful God. Also level 5 mobs should cower in fear of me, and hope that I do not turn my gaze upon them lest they are destroyed. What they shouldn't do is jump in my face like they did when I was a level 3) In short bungie, all of your weapons suck and need to do more to make us feel powerful in PvE when we reach endgame, they do not need to be nerfed, simply increase the ones you failed on.The enemies beneeth my lvl should act like it, they should act like we had to when we saw a level 25 and were only a lvl 10. (we ran away, fast, or were cut down with barely a wave of their hand, and we could do no damage to them.... at all......even with rockets!)
Bungie you have just turned a game that I was willing to forgive almost anything and justify its flaws to anyone....into my next trade in at gamestop. Once upon a time Xbox had a game called chromehounds and it was perfect for a year with a thriving online community, then they listened to the 10 year olds whining about it not being fair that people who worked for 400 hours had better gear than they did and could kill them, so they patched it to make it more fair to the newcommer who had invested no time and earned nothing, and the game died in under a month, please take this lesson to heart. As for myself and my clan, we want to stay and play for years but if you reward our loyalty and hard work (not to mention endless hours of raiding) with nerfing our loot, and ruining our clever strategies on raid we will go where we can get that feeling of accomplishment again, and you can pander to the casual gamers that are going to stop playing your game in 2 months regardless of what you do. Games where you level are meant to give advantages for leveling and games with Raids (MMOs) are supposed to have overpowered rewards for doing insane things on insane levels. Basically you have made the Raid even more difficult and reduced the reward for it, and taken away the aspect I liked most about the raid which was it forced players to be clever, to find ways to beat him that you did not intend (since you clearly intended for every boss to have the same strategy, dump enough ammo to cut the great prymids in half while avoiding getting shot and destroying the adds) let us face the truth, going from level 29 to level 30 is a tiny reward and it means shredding all the gear you bought or found for gear with very similiar stats and a slight defense bonus or worst case you end up with stats like "Increases shotgun ammo" when you hate shotguns and would rather use anything but that, to kill an enemy. If players whine about being killed in PvP too much by the Vex Mythoclast then here is a novel Idea... GO GET A MYTHOCLAST YOU IDIOT! The whole point in beating the overly difficult raid on 30 (soon to be almost immposible) is to improve.
This game just turned into a little league soccer game where "everyone is a special little snowflake, and nobody keeps score because no matter what you do we are all equal" So I am done excusing this game and may be done with it completly very soon. If this game had come out without the Bungie name behind it, it would currently have a score of 20/100 instead of 77/100 and you just took away all the incentive to play, by breaking any reason to participate in the ridiculously difficult endgame content. I beat level 30 Raid five times with the help of my very skilled clanmembers and can see no reason at all to beat it a sixth time. My disaspointment is only surpassed by your shame bungie. I hope you learn a lesson and spend more time fixing issues and creating new content (which of course you will then divide up and sell to us in ridiculously small increments) and stop destroying the few parts that already worked. Perhaps even try out a game that includes bosses more complicated than those found in "Contra" (bosses can absorb more damage and deal more damge with each level) and more mission depth than found in pong (defend stupidbot, and activate horde mode are not your only choices bungie, I promise). Right now you have held all of us hostage with the promise of great things in the future but crap in the present. When the Cryptach did that you said you took him to the woodshed, So take this as your trip to the woodshed and learn your lesson, if I wanted to play a game where everyone is equal and has the same gear I will go play call of duty. If you want me to spend years leveling up and "becoming legend" than reward me accordingly! You are Bungie, now act like it.
Edit: Some sort of response from Bungie would be greatly appreciated, so DeeJ if you read this drop us a line, I am sure everyone is more interested on what you have to say than they are in what I have said, I for one await your response eagerly, even if you just say "I read this" Thanks.
Edit: Day 3: Bungie, DeeJ, Your silence is becoming deafening.....
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I do now my head in respect everytime I see a guardian with the mythoclass, you're right it takes a lot of work to get that blessed thing. But when I'm in PVP I fear that thing! Power should be power unless you're in the iron banner when power isn't quite power because bungie don't think it's fair, even though they said iron banner was about power........
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DEAR HATERZ OF THE MOST RECENT PATCH!... Bungie gave you a primary fusion rifle for being elite and finishing this hard mode and you b*tch because you believe that you "deserve the reward" for this overpowered rifle. I agree bungie should reward players with better gear and better shaders, speeders, ships, and early access to future events... But the MYTHOCLAST! come on whiners! I was under the impression that bungie created a PvP system that rewarded quick reflexes and a skilled hand. If you don't have a "skilled f**king hand" to actually aim for headshots with the mythoclast which BTW now do 25 ℅ more damage than by all means you have no right to have the weapon and obviously are no "hardcore gamer" thank you bungie for making such a fun filled base game to build off of and patch for the coming years and thank you for being understanding and trying to update and resolve issues to make this game a fun outlet for all. And once again to all you kids that think that bungie made a mistake ... Its been a month and its already logged more hours than any other console game in such a time period and if you can't hit headshots like the skilled player in PvP that uses them to wreck your little pusua GTFO YOU WEAK WHINING CHILD AND GO PLAY YOUR OWN GAME THAT LETS YOU SPRAY AND PRAY! Have fun with call of duty advanced sameshiteverytimewarfare. ThugNasty.... OUT!
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Edited by Jaierock: 10/16/2014 12:32:38 AMOkay here's my breakdown for weapons Green drops: get you into the game level up as your class gets higher. Blue drops: these drops use light so yea there more powerful than your green drops. Purple drops: These are frigging legendary these mean that you did what you where supposed to do and where rewarded for it they should be so darn over powered in pve and nothing should change that. Now listen to me Yellow aka exotic damn weapons the hardest weapons to get your hands on these -blam!-ing guns should be no damn match for anyone other than someone with another exotic weapon holder I'm sorry for those whom don't agree with me but that's just how it should be. Point blank if I get a legendary or a exotic weapon please don't nerf it cause it defeats the purpose of all the hard work that some of us have put in since launch day. Sorry for the rant.
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There should not be a 300 point spread at the end of a hard fought Iron Banner Match by both teams, and the winning team being given ZERO REWARDS in my video capture files. [i]"...(and to win), there will be new rewards to serve as a warning of their prowess"[/i] Forbes stated in several articles that "Destiny" is [i]not[/i] holding up it's end on it's advertised content. Iron Banner, Crucible, and [i]fetch quests[/i]. There [b]are[/b] things that make Destiny great. I would tell you what those things are Bungie, but unfortunately I'm busy researching the range and duration of almost every upgrade description in the game because the majority of everything you put in an upgrade tree says "makes better" and doesn't tell us what the upgrades actually [b][i][u]DO[/u][/i][/b].
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Instead of greens blues and purples being higher leveled, make it so that whites span all the levels and the colors make them better than the lvl 20 white
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This post sums up exactly how I feel about the direction this game is going. I was excited about all the goodies to come over the next 10 years, but if this crap continues something better will replace Destiny as my game of choice.
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The biggest problem is that Bungies decision making just seems so horrible. They need to hire some outside consultants at this point. There is a multitude of relatively simple changes they could make, but all they are really doing is nerfing weapons. (Btw the next gun everyone will be complaining about is Vision of Confluence, since it's a fully auto scout rifle, can't wait to own another useless gun next week) I'm already pretty much done with Destiny, I see no point in defeating Sepkis Prime for what seems like the 20th time in a month. Any gear I get doing missions and strikes is no longer worthwhile compared to the Raid gear. I already have the weapons I want for the most part, so now it's just me playing daily missions just hoping that I'll get one more damn ascendant shard, instead of the energy that I get dumped on my head about 80 percent of the time. And the prospect of doing this same monotonous grind with 2 more characters is no longer appealing in any way. When I'm stuck at the same level for over a week, just relying on a RNG to level me up, you are giving me very little incentive to keep playing. I've sunk about 160 hours into this game, so I can't say I haven't gotten my monies worth. However, I really have no more desire to defeat the Winter Kell for the fifth night in a row. Bungie seems completely deaf to this games real problems, and just wants to pander to the crucible criers and to make sure that no one is exploiting their game design. Worrying too much about exploits and not enough about core gameplay is the same thing that ruined GTA online. Bungie appears to have a tough time learning from others mistakes. I really don't know how they expect to hang onto players for much longer. The expansion DLC didn't look like it had more than a couple hours of missions to do anyway after that bug was discovered. If you're giving me no reason to play, then I won't play anymore. Simple. The PVP in this game is simply ok, nothing great, but with only 4 scant game modes, and not even an in game leaderboard (really?), I can't see myself putting in a lot of hours playing Crucible. Luckily, the next couple months have a fairly sizable group of games being released. Destiny will certainly see a big dip in daily players if they don't shake things up quickly. A days worth of DLC won't bring the masses rushing back.
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Omg m8 i couldnt have put my gripe with this patch any better than you have. Hope u listen and answer "Deej"
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About sums it up. Nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf.
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Funny how deej hides from this post yet responds to mr long face
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DLCs? I believe you are referring to the Activision 2 step. I read this entire thing and agree with most of it. I fell like your right regarding turning this into COD. I really enjoy Destiny despite the repetitiveness but instead of spending time and $$ nerfing hard earned gear...spend it on upping the story and get us out there on some new missions for Christ sake!!
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lvl 28 warlock looking for early morning and/or afternoon players cause I work nights full time in Florida im a team player looking for team players, i play on a daily basis and I have a mic I have a pretty good understanding of the raid, I follow direction well, jus need a good team that plays mornings ps4 - send me a request : SativaTequila
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[quote]Special Little Snowflake[/quote] Reminded me of this great article about "speshul" humans: [url=http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-generation-y-yuppies-are-unhappy.html]Why Generation-Y Yuppies Are Unhappy[/url] Speaking of difficult video games, do you remember Ninja Turtles for NES? That water level though...
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Bump bump
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[quote]DeeJ, I have waited for destiny for a long time and had high hopes, but now you have proven to me that you have no idea what players want. This patch/suicide note, is absolute crap. I was a good little fanboy, I was willing to overlook the flaws in story line, gameplay, crap PvP, and mission design (yay protect dinglebot again while he performs a task that takes the storyline nowhere, I love this one!) I was even willing to overlook the insane bullet absorbing ability of every boss, and the fact that higher difficulty just meant adding oversheilds and even more damage absorbing powers, instead of a need for a new strategy. I was even willing to find 5 other players who had high levels, and enjoy dealing with frustrating glitches (oh look the portal didn't teleport me when I stepped through it again, guess that's a wipe guys, let's start over) and all because I wanted the best weapon in the game, you know a weapon that said "this guy went through days of the gaming equivalent to water boarding to get that, he earned it" so that you could nerf it by a third! Screw you bungie! With great skill comes great reward, or now in this case with great skill comes the same stupid garbage that everyone else can find on the ground from a lvl one enemy! Do you understand nothing about what motivates gamers, and especially MMO gamers? We want that item that wails on people and does more damage than any other, because we earned it! The sense of accomplishment after doing the immposible and then having others recognize what you have achieved. It is the same reason we level in the first place, so that we can go back, find the mobs that killed us before and destroy them utterly, and in record time! (Btw you screwed that up as well, I shouldn't need to shoot a lvl 5 mob 4 times to kill them at level 29, they should explode, and peices of them should rain down on me as if its a blessing from some wrathful God. Also level 5 mobs should cower in fear of me, and hope that I do not turn my gaze upon them lest they are destroyed. What they shouldn't do is jump in my face like they did when I was a level 3) In short bungie, all of your weapons suck and need to do more to make us feel powerful in PvE when we reach endgame, they do not need to be nerfed, simply increase the ones you failed on.The enemies beneeth my lvl should act like it, they should act like we had to when we saw a level 25 and were only a lvl 10. (we ran away, fast, or were cut down with barely a wave of their hand, and we could do no damage to them.... at all......even with rockets!) Bungie you have just turned a game that I was willing to forgive almost anything and justify its flaws to anyone....into my next trade in at gamestop. Once upon a time Xbox had a game called chromehounds and it was perfect for a year with a thriving online community, then they listened to the 10 year olds whining about it not being fair that people who worked for 400 hours had better gear than they did and could kill them, so they patched it to make it more fair to the newcommer who had invested no time and earned nothing, and the game died in under a month, please take this lesson to heart. As for myself and my clan, we want to stay and play for years but if you reward our loyalty and hard work (not to mention endless hours of raiding) with nerfing our loot, and ruining our clever strategies on raid we will go where we can get that feeling of accomplishment again, and you can pander to the casual gamers that are going to stop playing your game in 2 months regardless of what you do. Games where you level are meant to give advantages for leveling and games with Raids (MMOs) are supposed to have overpowered rewards for doing insane things on insane levels. Basically you have made the Raid even more difficult and reduced the reward for it, and taken away the aspect I liked most about the raid which was it forced players to be clever, to find ways to beat him that you did not intend (since you clearly intended for every boss to have the same strategy, dump enough ammo to cut the great prymids in half while avoiding getting shot and destroying the adds) let us face the truth, going from level 29 to level 30 is a tiny reward and it means shredding all the gear you bought or found for gear with very similiar stats and a slight defense bonus or worst case you end up with stats like "Increases shotgun ammo" when you hate shotguns and would rather use anything but that, to kill an enemy. If players whine about being killed in PvP too much by the Vex Mythoclast then here is a novel Idea... GO GET A MYTHOCLAST YOU IDIOT! The whole point in beating the overly difficult raid on 30 (soon to be almost immposible) is to improve. This game just turned into a little league soccer game where "everyone is a special little snowflake, and nobody keeps score because no matter what you do we are all equal" So I am done excusing this game and may be done with it completly very soon. If this game had come out without the Bungie name behind it, it would currently have a score of 20/100 instead of 77/100 and you just took away all the incentive to play, by breaking any reason to participate in the ridiculously difficult endgame content. I beat level 30 Raid five times with the help of my very skilled clanmembers and can see no reason at all to beat it a sixth time. My disaspointment is only surpassed by your shame bungie. I hope you learn a lesson and spend more time fixing issues and creating new content (which of course you will then divide up and sell to us in ridiculously small increments) and stop destroying the few parts that already worked. Perhaps even try out a game that includes bosses more complicated than those found in "Contra" (bosses can absorb more damage and deal more damge with each level) and more mission depth than found in pong (defend stupidbot, and activate horde mode are not your only choices bungie, I promise). Right now you have held all of us hostage with the promise of great things in the future but crap in the present. When the Cryptach did that you said you took him to the woodshed, So take this as your trip to the woodshed and learn your lesson, if I wanted to play a game where everyone is equal and has the same gear I will go play call of duty. If you want me to spend years leveling up and "becoming legend" than reward me accordingly! You are Bungie, now act like it. Edit: Some sort of response from Bungie would be greatly appreciated, so DeeJ if you read this drop us a line, I am sure everyone is more interested on what you have to say than they are in what I have said, I for one await your response eagerly, even if you just say "I read this" Thanks.[/quote] nice work stealing angry joes rating on destiny with "protect dingle bot"
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Bump.Is there a way to repost this?
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Edited by Blue: 10/16/2014 10:13:42 PM
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I agree 100%. I'm glad I traded this game. Maybe in the future when they actually release the real game I may picl up for cheap. Until than, this game is trash.
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I have never had issues with this game all of a sudden today Boom, apple, stink bug, centipede, caterpillar, apple, caterpillar, You have lost connection, apple, stink bug, bee, banana, You have been disconnected from the Destiny world and returned to the main menu, caterpillar, bee, apple, stink bug, centipede, apple, bee, caterpillar, banana WTF IM SO SICK OF THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well said, I'm in the same boat. [b]It's not even about the mytho, it's more about the purpose of the game.[/b] [b]If they equal everything then this game is not level tiered anymore, and leveling to 30 would be pointless.[/b] Levels should matter, high end gear should matter, rewards should matter. To fix this they could make people fight other players around their level in PvP, [b]why would a level 30 go against a level 6 anyway Bungie?[/b] Do you expect that low-level to have anything as good as that higher level? PvP is absolutely terrible and destroying the PvE experience. [b]God damnit Bungie, wake the -blam!- up and stop being push overs. [/b] I am so sick and tired of time wasted on bullshit, you have continuously pissed off the crowd of gamers that were willing to stay. [b]When Halo, GTA (nextgen), CoD, etc come out in November you are going to lose half your players.[/b] People are playing your game so much because there isn't anything else out yet in this season to go to. Please for the love of God take a look at your most iconic games of all time, Halo CE and Halo 2. Do you see how good you did those two games and how they went down in history? [b]Destiny is going downhill faster than a Boulder on a 90 degree angle. The review sites have smashed it, your devoted players have smashed it, and you don't even respond to anyone. [/b] [b]I am sorry Deej but you are not enough[/b], it would be greatly appreciated that the developers answer our questions, considering we paid their bills by allowing them to continue Destiny. [b]Where did that 500 million come from? A lot of people that are not rich and could have spent their money elsewhere.[/b] Learn to respect us! You [b]were[/b] my favorite developer and you are no longer.
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Just not happy about my auto rifle nerf:(..
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100% agreed! Well crafted opinion.
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Well said
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I agree 100%
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Edited by Jsk8boi: 10/16/2014 2:35:05 AMWow, I'm surprised to see someone who actually knows what Chromehounds is, that game was flawless till they took the servers down :/
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Bump, not wasting my time adding my own opinion, bungie doesn't give a shite