Are you whining about Atheon being shoved off the cliff because you can't do it? See it's statements like that one that invoke the very reason the hot fixes and patches are ruining the game even more. For example, the patch on the Templar section. Bungie wanting to make the game more difficult because people found a strategic way to beat the Templar. Bungie themselves encouraged strategic thinking in doing the Raid, yet want to punish players for being that way (not including Atheon push). Because the hotfix is specifically to keep players from sniping above the area and that if you have the relic you can't leave the "playable" area. Them making this patch actually goes against what they stated previously about messing with the difficulty of the raid.