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10/17/2014 7:27:22 PM
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Thank you so much for your skillful decrypting of this!
I was curious, so I looked up VOLUSPA and YUGA. My findings made me crazy, so I had to share!
Voluspa is a Norse poem! It depicts the creation of the world and an ensuing a golden age in which a Deity (Traveller!) creates temples and tools and gold. But three giant "maidens" come and bring the golden age to an end. The Deity then creates Dwarves (Guardians) and such ensues an apocalypse in which many of the Norse gods (Warminds?) are killed.
The poem predicts that a new world will rise from the ashes and again there will be a time of peace and prosperity.
YUGA I find very interesting.
It is the name of a cycle in Hindu philosophy. It is said that our universe is created and destroyed once every ~5 billion years! It is said to be one full day and night for Brahma, the Hindu god of creation. Brahma is also the progenitor of all humanity. During the Yuga, humans will start as being super intelligent, angelic beings with a 100, 000 year lifespan and slowly decile... until humans live for 20 years... but what about the intelligence, and the morality?
What if the Hive, the Fallen, the Vex, the Cabal... are just other races that were visited by the traveller? Who had a golden age like us, faced a decline, and then went so low they were consumed by darkness to chase the being that once benefitted them? Will this happen to humanity too? What is the purpose of all this?! Is the traveller bad?
So has this cycle happened to us before? Will we keep going through a cycle of Golden and Dark age, like day and night? Or is the cycle not one for humanity, but of every race the traveller visits? Did the Traveller create humanity, or even all life? Did Rasputin know this, and if so, how and who else?
I'm so confused now! I hope I succeeded in thoroughly confusing other people too ;P
I love you Bungie, this is amazing!
Even if it makes my head hurt
Take care guys!
<3 Kitsune
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In another entry Rasputin mentions the titanomachy. This is from Greek mythology, and was the war in which the Olympians (Zeus, Hades, Poseidon etc) overthrew the Titans and Zeus' father, Cronos. Interestingly, Cronos' rule has also been referred to as a golden age in which there was endless peace, and no one wanted for anything.
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Since hearing the name fallen, I have believed that they were just like us. If anyone has had a golden age it would be the Fallen hint' the name "Fallen". They even have those big ol' purple thing that look like ghosts.
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I got peoplebumps reading the thing about Voluspa. Awesome thinking to Google that stuff.
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Great job Kitsune! I wonder if the Vex are trying to become one with the universe/time stream to prevent themselves from being wiped out? Because ultimately the rules of the universe would not change following a complete "reset" in a sense. So if they are intertwined with those laws, they (or at least the power controlling the Vex) would live forever and guarantee survival; which in the end is all that matters.
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Thank you, Skry! : ) That's absolutely brilliant! I'm really curious about the Vex now, and what the Stranger knows! Your theory also fits so well with the heart of the black garden, I just can't seem to piece it together... It seemed like the heart was in a pocket of time and space, on Mercury. And when we destroyed it, the pocket collapsed as well! The heart was also draining the traveller's power, or so we're told. But maybe that wasn't it's purpose, but a necessity for something else. And somebody or something turned Mercury into a giant machine... Could the heart have been their attempt to transcend time and space?
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What if the black garden was inside the traveler and the black heart was draining the traveler or was the core of the travel that was corrupted by the darkness...only speculation. There is proof that the black garden may have been inside the traveler, at least before they changed the story.
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[quote]What if the black garden was inside the traveler and the black heart was draining the traveler or was the core of the travel that was corrupted by the darkness...only speculation. There is proof that the black garden may have been inside the traveler, at least before they changed the story.[/quote] The black garden is in Mars.
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Edited by njl4515: 11/2/2014 2:52:08 AMNo, the gate to the black garden is on Mars. The Black Garden itself is an area outside of known space and is timeless.
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No. To be more accurate, the Black Garden is on Mars, the thing is that the Black Garden with the Black Heart in it is located sometime in the future. Imagine time as a ribbon with past on one end and future on the other. The Vex basically snipped out a segment of time and stitched the remaining ends together. The removed portion is the Black Garden.
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No...that's only a vex war gate. The black garden could be anywhere and nowhere.
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It even says here it is on mars. Look what it says about the crucible map. http://www.bungie.net/en/event/darkbelow
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The warp gate is on mars...we don't really know where the black garden is...play the mission again.
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Even Bungie says the Black Garden is on mars, i dont need to play it again.
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The Black Garden is a location on Mars.[1] It is entered via a portal accessible only with the eye of a Vex Gate Lord. Upon first arriving, the Guardian's Ghost says that he cannot pinpoint their location in time or space.
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But, when you beat the mission the ghost does say "Huh, we're back on Mars now" when you are still in the heart of the black garden.
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Perhaps the black heart was shielding its location in time and space and when you kill it that 'shroud' is removed?
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The Black Garden is a mysterious location which is not of any known space or time, and the birthplace of the Vex. A Vex portal to this location is on Mars.....the reason they it's listed as being on mars is because that's they only way we know how to get there so far. There's no other way of saying where the location is.
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http://www.bungie.net/en/event/darkbelow You are in denial. The Black Garden is in Mars.
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Edited by Tut813275: 11/3/2014 1:31:37 AMDoood. The way into the black garden is on Mars but the actual physical place isnt. If the black garden was on mars it would be apart of the patrol area but it's not because it's a separate place. The black garden doesn't exist anywhere really as far as we know. To know the location of the black garden is to know the birth place of the vex. You tell me...where the Vex created on mars??
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The notion of their creation is absurd to refute, because they travel through time. The ruins on Venus could have been made tomorrow by the Vex traveling to our yesterday...so in our timeline, they'd always have existed. So the notion that the Vex were created on Mars isn't outside the realm of possibility. They could have been created on Mars, millions of years in the future, then went back in time and set themselves up in our past.
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It's possible but 8 the ghost didnt know where we were how could the gate be on mars. The black garden is also green with a mix of plants and machinery. Mars is a Sandy planet there should be a resemblance to present mars somewhere.
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Edited by Moonglow89: 12/17/2014 2:53:32 AMHave you considered the possibility of Mars being terra formed in the future? When you do the Vault of Glass, the two time gates take you through TIME. The left is referred to as "Mars" and the right is "Venus." But they are really the same room in the present, but the left is the past (note the Predecessor Vex) and the right is the future (Descendant Vex.) Venus in the past is barren. Venus in the future is overgrown.
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Dude. Stop feeding the Troll.lol
