I beat the raid raid in less than an hour with people who knew what to do and know how to stay alive. I was referring to a moment where we had someone who had no idea about the importance of being alive in order to help the team move along. Also don't even get me started on the oracles because that shit is a mess to inexperienced people. I will never allow an inexperienced player to join my fireteam for a hard raid I also forgot to mention that, that situation I mentioned was on hard. Total time spent doing the entire raid on hard took about 8-10 hours. Not all at once though.