I think it is all fun and GAMES. But i do think people take things for granted way too often. I did my first raid with a good group last friday, it was an invite from a member on my clan that I do strikes/daily/bounties/kill random shit. That knew I had never done it and was finally gear and level ready to attempt my first whack at the raid. I waited till I was 28 with my IceBreaker maxed with an almost maxed shadow price. Maybe I waited to long but whatever, I like to be prepared. I also watched vids and made sure I kinda had a general clue as to not drag everyone else down. Back on point, so joined up friday was the only person to not try the raid, but at least we where all level 28+. At opening everyone said the top was easiest so I took top and had no problem keeping it and sometimes helping when I could. For everything else just followed orders and tried not to die too many times. Except for atheon, that gave me some trouble because I forgot the freakin harpies exploded so it took me a second. Tried the away team and found I was pretty good so at killing oracles so I stayed with that. Overall felt I wasn't a complete drag and got invites from the rest of the team so, yay me. Long rant to say that it isn't about helping out people. But thoes people need to understand what is going on or atleast follow their teams so they don't turn an hour, possible hour 30 raid into a 9 hour raid. Because then at that point it the only giggling I would be doing is over a guardians corpse. Just saying.