First off, a number of people ARE directly saying as a fact that Destiny has better art. In fact, the person I replied to said that. So it's not an assumption I'm making, it's a direct reply to things people are saying. Secondly, it's a fact because I've listed a couple of times a long list as to the elements that make Borderlands superior. It does the RPG elements factually better. It has: - a legitimate loot system which Destiny got wrong - more perks and more passives that apply to the gunplay which is the focus of the game, another thing Destiny missed - better character customization - larger variety of weapons and enemies - better characters All of those things are important to your average RPG, and Borderlands just does them all better. Yes when we talk about a creative thing we are discussing a number of opinions, HOWEVER there are various standards and means with which we can empirically compare things. For instance, the light system. We know AS A FACT that it isn't good and that gamers generally dislike it because it showed up in an LotR MMO-RPG as "radiance" and everyone hated it. They hated it so much it got patched out of the game. The fact that Destiny uses it means we can factually state it was a bad idea. Same goes for 100% random loot dropping. Same goes for having bosses that don't drop any loot. Thos are RPG sins, quantifiable and direct to point to.