I find the bad juju to be fine. I have one upgraded fully & it's beast against small enemies. I would not take the juju to a boss fight even though I would love too. The thorn's bounty is by far the hardest but doable. I don't have my thorn fully upgraded because I'm beefing up my mida multi-tool first. I would imagine that thorn once upgraded would be beast if used right. I'm not saying nobody is using them right at all. I'm saying from my experience I think they're fine. Would I love to see the buff ? Hell yeah. But if bungie don't deliver, it wouldn't be no surprise. I mean look at the rest of the game.