Alos if you would of picked up what I was laying down you would of seen I wasent calling them the same game, but the same. Bussiness tatic. If you compare pvp thos tell me whats all that diff. Because I cant stand how close it is too cod I cannot stand every damn fps gping to call of dutys approch to pvp. When I like a game I play it ALOT and I -blam!-ing get reall good at it, but with call of duty it makes it where everyone can be just as good just as fast. I like games that really reaward me for being a hardcore player and for putting my time in. Honestly battlefield seems to be my last hope for that competiveness that I have to be forfilled. At least in bf4 if I put in 12 hours of kicking ass I get better guns, camo, wepon unlocks all that.