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To the people complaining about the DLC, updates, and bungie in general, let's take a moment to exercise some common sense. [b]DLC?[/b] YES, a good portion of the future DLC is already in the game and is technically accessable by glitching out of the maps. However, if you were to actually do this, you would find that the areas are far from perfectly complete. They are very buggy and contain a whole lot of problems. Sure, Bungie included these places before launch, but have you ever considered that they did it to make it easier down the road for themselves, rather than just to rob you of money? Furthermore, charging for DLC is not a new concept. Nearly every successful game does this. Call of Duty has been doing it for years and NO ONE complains! The only difference is that CoD doesn't put the maps in the game before, because its not a free roam world! So where would they put them?? But that doesn't stop them from charging you every penny they can get for each new map pack. [b]CONTRACTUAL RIGHTS[/b] Upset that you are on Xbox and have to wait a year for stuff that Play Station already has? Well get used to it because there is a contract in place (just like how Xbox had rights to Halo) that says Playstation has the rights! At least it's just a year and not FORVER like halo was. [b]10 YEAR PLAN[/b] If Destiny truly has a 10 year plan for expansions, do you actually believe that they can keep paying their employees for 10 years off of the 60$ we spent to buy the game? No! They would run out of money in no time. Just like any on running massive multiplayer online game, they need to charge a little bit of money in order to keep themselves functioning! To everyone that feels the need to point out that the 10 year plan in fact involves several new titles and additions to the legacy, bear in mind that regardless of how the 10 year plan is carried out, it requires money. This game is Bungie's baby. They want to make it the best game they have ever made. Give them time, be patient, and enjoy the future releases. [b]UPDATES[/b] People are constantly asking for updates for the game. I am sure bungie is listening to you, but what do you want them to do? Reply to 10,000 comments a day saying, "we read your comment and the idea is in consideration"? Do you have any idea how long it takes for developers to consider an idea, bring it before the board, plan the idea, beta test the idea, execute the idea, and finish the -blam!-ing idea? It takes a long -blam!-ing time! They plan on working on this game for 10 years. So expect many, many, many updates during that time. But they can only be done so fast. Developers aren't god. They can't build the world in seven days. So get used to it, or quit the game. If you are patient enough to stick around, expect some pretty cool content coming in the near/far future. [b]TIME[/b] Let's consider one final thing. The majority of the players that have run out of things to do in Destiny have played 150+ hours. This game has been out for less than two months. The reason it is out of content is because we have literally OVERPLAYED it. Speaking from personal experience, I have played nearly 300 hours because this game is amazing. I highly doubt the developers of the game were ready for that. If you are worried about content running out, maybe slow down a little bit. Even at my 300 hours, I am still having fun. But that's just me. However, there are very few games that are capable from ripping me away from the real world. __________________________________________________________________ Stop being such entitled little bitches and either just quit the game or accept that the world isn't free and takes time to make perfect. _____________________________________________________________________ [b]TL;DR[/b] (too long; didn't read) - It is not free to continue producing content for a game - A 10 year plan requires a 10 year budget - The DLC "already in the game" is not finished. If you glitch out to it, you will see it needs considerable work before being ready for play. - Bungie is contractually bound to release certain content on PSN only (for a year), it's not an option. Thats how contracts work. - Updates take a considerable amount of time, and if Bungie wants this game to last 10 years, they need 10 years of updates. Be patient. - If you are out of content already it may be time to go outside, or maybe call one of those friends you forgot you had. [quote]Well when you think about it, Microsoft has more money than they will probably ever need. But thats no reason for them to start handing out copies of Office for free. The world runs on money, and whether we like it or not, we are part of the world. If the DLC was free, I would love it. But I very seldom get handed free things, so I am not too worried about buying it. [b]I can spend 20$ for one night downtown that I won't even remember. I would happily spend 20$ for another 100 hours of gameplay that I will love every minute of.[/b][/quote]
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  • Polite rebuttal to your fanbase request statement: If they wanted to, they could easily make a forum post saying "this is what we have heard from you, we will consider it" or even a "hey, we understand your issues, we are working to address them". You don't have to respond individually to a group (especially ones offering suggestions for their preferred play style). However, also keep in mind: Bungie has a legacy with some fantastic games. Particularly, they have enhancements that were in previous games (Reach especially) that were deliberately taken out in Destiny. So a number of these suggestions are based in "we know that you can do this, so why are you not?" The biggest issue that (we) the negs are having is that every single update seems to be about things that are completely irrelevant to us. In the last updates, the only major enhancements the PvE guys get are stability issues. PvP focus is making BG myopic about a significant part of its fanbase, and it would do them a lot of excellent publicity if they would address us as a whole. Tack on the fact that the mailbag only seems to be a circle-uh... "Self congratulatory eroticization" instead of answering the questions a (loud) min/majority are asking just adds problems to the pile.

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  • Um, DeeJ does that every week or so? And how do you know stuff was "taken out"? Because of a (fake) article/interview with an "anonymous employee"? Kids will believe anything.

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  • You never watch the ViDoc from 2013 on YouTube? Or read the reddit article about the stuff that was removed from the game? They rushed it out, removed so much stuff and put in a lackluster story. Borderlands 2 which is a similar game has more to do than this game, might I add a much better story

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  • I respect you, you respect me. That is how civil discourse works. Agreed? I watched every interview and clip posted on YouTube from the official Destiny channel. Read every article that Bungie posted on its own FB feed. So when I say I feel like I have been mislead, it is because Bungie deliberately (even *literally*) said "hey guys, this is the super cool game we have coming out - this is what we're doing, and this is why we think you should be as excited as we are". Comparison time: Mass Effect has had DLC across all games, but DLC was used to add detail and scope to an already established, self-contained plot. EA/Bioware hit a lot of flak because of ME3 day-1 DLC, but you can play through a complete game without ever seeing Javik. Destiny has the first chapter of the game, and no only does it feel unfinished, but you get no closure from a game that demands that I shell out extra for what I thought was a complete story arc.

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  • I understand that bungie is doing all this stuf all i ask is that promises are fulfilled weekly hotfixs get better and servers still work good i will be buying all the dlc :)

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  • 4 games in 10 years is what it is and that came out when the publisher went after the CoD founders who left and took half of infinity ward with them.

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  • finally someone who understands

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  • [quote]To the people complaining about the DLC, updates, and bungie in general, let's take a moment to exercise some common sense. [b]DLC?[/b] YES, a good portion of the future DLC is already in the game and is technically accessable by glitching out of the maps. However, if you were to actually do this, you would find that the areas are far from perfectly complete. They are very buggy and contain a whole lot of problems. Sure, Bungie included these places before launch, but have you ever considered that they did it to make it easier down the road for themselves, rather than just to rob you of money? Furthermore, charging for DLC is not a new concept. Nearly every successful game does this. Call of Duty has been doing it for years and NO ONE complains! The only difference is that CoD doesn't put the maps in the game before, because its not a free roam world! So where would they put them?? But that doesn't stop them from charging you every penny they can get for each new map pack. [b]CONTRACTUAL RIGHTS[/b] Upset that you are on Xbox and have to wait a year for stuff that Play Station already has? Well get used to it because there is a contract in place (just like how Xbox had rights to Halo) that says Playstation has the rights! At least it's just a year and not FORVER like halo was. [b]10 YEAR PLAN[/b] If Destiny truly has a 10 year plan for expansions, do you actually believe that they can keep paying their employees for 10 years off of the 60$ we spent to buy the game? No! They would run out of money in no time. Just like any on running massive multiplayer online game, they need to charge a little bit of money in order to keep themselves functioning! To everyone that feels the need to point out that the 10 year plan in fact involves several new titles and additions to the legacy, bear in mind that regardless of how the 10 year plan is carried out, it requires money. This game is Bungie's baby. They want to make it the best game they have ever made. Give them time, be patient, and enjoy the future releases. [b]UPDATES[/b] People are constantly asking for updates for the game. I am sure bungie is listening to you, but what do you want them to do? Reply to 10,000 comments a day saying, "we read your comment and the idea is in consideration"? Do you have any idea how long it takes for developers to consider an idea, bring it before the board, plan the idea, beta test the idea, execute the idea, and finish the -blam!-ing idea? It takes a long -blam!-ing time! They plan on working on this game for 10 years. So expect many, many, many updates during that time. But they can only be done so fast. Developers aren't god. They can't build the world in seven days. So get used to it, or quit the game. If you are patient enough to stick around, expect some pretty cool content coming in the near/far future. [b]TIME[/b] Let's consider one final thing. The majority of the players that have run out of things to do in Destiny have played 150+ hours. This game has been out for less than two months. The reason it is out of content is because we have literally OVERPLAYED it. Speaking from personal experience, I have played nearly 300 hours because this game is amazing. I highly doubt the developers of the game were ready for that. If you are worried about content running out, maybe slow down a little bit. Even at my 300 hours, I am still having fun. But that's just me. However, there are very few games that are capable from ripping me away from the real world. __________________________________________________________________ Stop being such entitled little bitches and either just quit the game or accept that the world isn't free and takes time to make perfect. _____________________________________________________________________ [b]TL;DR[/b] (too long; didn't read) - It is not free to continue producing content for a game - A 10 year plan requires a 10 year budget - The DLC "already in the game" is not finished. If you glitch out to it, you will see it needs considerable work before being ready for play. - Bungie is contractually bound to release certain content on PSN only (for a year), it's not an option. Thats how contracts work. - Updates take a considerable amount of time, and if Bungie wants this game to last 10 years, they need 10 years of updates. Be patient. - If you are out of content already it may be time to go outside, or maybe call one of those friends you forgot you had. [quote]Well when you think about it, Microsoft has more money than they will probably ever need. But thats no reason for them to start handing out copies of Office for free. The world runs on money, and whether we like it or not, we are part of the world. If the DLC was free, I would love it. But I very seldom get handed free things, so I am not too worried about buying it. [b]I can spend 20$ for one night downtown that I won't even remember. I would happily spend 20$ for another 100 hours of gameplay that I will love every minute of.[/b][/quote][/quote] Microsoft has so much money that they cut 18k+ jobs. Just saying.

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  • MS has so much money because they know how to strategically cut an 18,000 job unit that isn't being profitable, sure that sucks for those 18k people, but moves like that ensure that the other 500,000 employees continue to work. Or they could let that 18k unit burn through cash until the whole company goes under? Decisions decisions.

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  • [quote]MS has so much money because they know how to strategically cut an 18,000 job unit that isn't being profitable, sure that sucks for those 18k people, but moves like that ensure that the other 500,000 employees continue to work. Or they could let that 18k unit burn through cash until the whole company goes under? Decisions decisions.[/quote] Never mind , I read an article from Forbes and its still a large number 14% of all Microsoft employees,its there v-dash employees that are getting cut ? And it makes sense on the cuts actually, my bad, I've should have went to Forbes first vs yahoo.

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  • Bumping

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  • Excellent post sir. I totally agree a lot of yhe people that complain just sound like self entitled babies. I also blame this culture of instant gratification.

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  • What this guy said...exactly.couldnt have said it better myself.these forums are getting ridiculous for complainers.

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  • Fantastic post right here!

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  • This guy...I like this guy. A little long, but I read everything and I agree. Oh and by the way, the Hawkmoon is awesome. I absolutely enjoy kicking anything and everything's face in with that canon.

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  • Your time concept is misconstrued, lvl 20 takes 8 hrs, rng means that raid readiness could be another 5 mins or 2 weeks (that's farming marks which takes maybe 10 hrs a week to cap so let's say 20 for those with absolutely no luck) now you're 28 and raid gear rng means you could have a full set in 45 mins or run the raid 3 times a week on normal and hard or hard only depending on what you group you find. So min you are looking at 20hrs of game play maximum you could end up like me running 3 raids on hard a week with no 30s to show for it.

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  • It is their game, not ours. Obviously there was some sort of decision made in which a totally random loot system was decided upon. Likely it was put into place because of the lottery-effect. You feel as though you have a chance to win, and therefore feel compelled to play more. Although a very annoying choice of system, it is extremely effective at keeping people glued to their tv's. And although level 20 can take 8 hours, it likely will take more for the majority of the players, and there is much much more end content available. Yes, the game is a grind. But I have had fun grinding away.

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  • Edited by Yoshihito: 10/31/2014 7:53:15 AM
    The problem with an RNG system is that it only works well in a system that includes trading. It is unrealistic that anyone will ever get all the items they desire. That's where trading comes in. People can get the items they want the most more efficiently because other people don't want it yet they got it anyways.

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  • Also you said you've played over 300 hrs. Your profile says differently. Do you play on another account? I'm over 260 hrs with just my Hunter and Warlock.

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  • I'm not saying I didn't enjoy the grind I'm an mmoplayer it's all you do really. What I'm saying is that you can blow through the content in no time if you don't dick around. The only reason to sink more than 30 hrs is a you enjoy the grind, b you've been unlucky, c you enjoy pvp, or d you hope that they actually do something productive eventually and you want to be ready for it when it happens. I was more in the d category minus the boots from the raid and my desire to collect all exotics but that's more of the completitionist in me. Everything's maxed out fully upgraded so I'll probably be doing less time in the game now that I know the Dlc has nothing to offer but a new raid really 3 story missions. I'll however be enjoying fc4 which if it's as good as 3 destiny will lose a good 120hrs there not to mention inquisition. And for the pvpers theres cod aw which hits this month I expect this Dlc will primarily only be bought by a. Those that got it with the game originally or b. Those who can't afford another 40 for 10x the content or greater.

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  • TLBITRI (to long but I totally read it) Dude I agree with you 100% man. You got your head on straight.

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  • Edited by RSG Ethereal: 10/30/2014 8:00:59 PM
    I've read ur post word for word and I actually agree there's impatience people out there updates dlcs do take time ik from a all my years of gaming be patient seriously is time really a problem for u impatient people out there clam the hell down

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  • Except when the stuff they're calling DLC is already on the purchased product... Okay...

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  • Yea

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  • If this was an existing "contractual agreement", then why did the President of Bungie go on record as saying that there was no Playstation exclusive content on the DLC?

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