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10/30/2014 7:09:28 PM
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It seems to me that a large number of the gaming community has forgotten or failed to realize that companies like bungie and activision essentially work for us, the gaming community.
Without our money they do not exist. Saying "the game sucks but just be grateful to have a game and take it for what it is", which I have been seeing a lot, will perpetuate the trend that has been occurring in recent years. Developers used to aspire to push the limits and boundaries of what video games could be. Better graphics, more intricate story lines, more interactive open world environments, etc. Some few are still doing this but other companies, like activision, are taking a different approach. They are dumbing down games in order to make them appealing to a greater audience, including younger gamers and those less experienced, allowing them to sell more games and increase their profits. They have figured out they can cut out half a game sell it in dlcs and essentially increase their profits without the cost of creating more content.
If we, as gamers, say "yeah the game sucks and isn't remotely close to what we were told it would be but oh well at least we have a shitty game instead of no game", this will only continue to get worse. If we as consumers hold developers and publishers to a higher standard we can create change.
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Does anyone know if we will be able to reach level 30+ without raid gear in this new dlc?
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There's a petition floating around against bungee and activision about making the new content free.
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Edited by ColdAtrophy: 10/31/2014 8:43:03 AMThat'll be a cold day in hell. Activision does nothing that does not immediately mean cash flow incoming. It doesn't matter if a good deed today might earn more money in the long run. These publicly traded mega corporations only live their bloated lives one quarter at a time and they can't see beyond their next earnings call. Their number one priority is to investors. We are just dollars to be had if they can figure out how to separate us from them in as close to a legal way as they can argue in court if they have to. Gaming only has a loose goal of making the gamer happy. Manipulating him/her and conditioning the gamer to accept less for more is the real goal.
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I'm guessing you watched this video? A lot of what you're saying sounds almost exactly like the guy talking in the video. Don't get me wrong, I agree 100%. If anything, I'm saying this post was inspired by that video. Don't Buy The Dark Below or House of Wolves Desti…: http://youtu.be/UZ5BpeHVTWY
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I haven't seen that yet but I'll give it a watch.
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He sums up what we all feel about Destiny.
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Very solid video. Thanks for providing the link! I definitely agree with the points he makes and I hope more people see this.
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No problem! Spread the word as much as you can.
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Edited by bill0517: 10/31/2014 2:35:21 AMI will not be buying the dlc myself. I'm not telling anyone else not to buy it, but I am saying that we as gamers need to consider what the industry is becoming. I've been gaming for over 20 years, beginning with an SNES and Sega Genesis. Most of my friends have too and our favorite games, the ones we consider truly great, came out before this recent shift occurred. Games like Halo, Knights of the Old Republic, Ocarina of time, the first Assassin's Creed and many more. Games that can't compare to the graphics and mechanics available today and yet were amazing. They were great because the companies that made them wanted to make a great game. That was the priority. But with the enormous growth of the gaming industry the huge companies putting out games now care more about profit margins, marketing hype and dlcs. I thought and hoped that Bungie, who brought us halo, was one of the few who still strove to create amazing games. To push the boundaries of what we expect. Maybe it's not them but activision that is the problem. Maybe it's both. I don't know but it's clear that Bungie is not what they used to be.
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Edited by BlueCell5: 10/31/2014 2:11:44 AMI don't care. I'm still gonna buy the expansion because I chose what I spend my money on. Plus Destiny has become my favorite game so far. I don't have any problems with it. If you really want to hurt Activision, who is the mastermind of this scheme, don't buy Advanced Warfare. Oh but wait, people are still going to buy it. You effort is worth a try, but I believe it wouldn't last. Not many gamers would join you. You want to know why. All gamers want to do is play games and by doing that wouldn't you delay the release of almost all games. I can see how COD is being dumbed down, but not Destiny because it's only the first installment to the series. Yes, Destiny is going to be a series. You should wait to see how Destiny 2 turns out to be before you do anything stupid. [spoiler]no offense[/spoiler]
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Edited by bill0517: 10/31/2014 2:45:14 AMIf you want to buy it go ahead. I'm not urging anyone not to, I'm urging them to think about what the industry is becoming. Gaming used to be a niche market 10-20 years ago where games were made by gamers so there was always a push for greater quality. Now gaming is a multibillion dollar industry and games are made by enormous corporations. Look at what bungie did with halo, with far less resources than they had for destiny. Halo blew us away! Everything about it was new and exciting. It push our expectations for what games can be to greater heights, and did so without selling us half the game for more money over the course of a year after initial release. Halo FELT good to play. Destiny however Feels incomplete and forced. If you think destiny hasn't been dumbed down you haven't played many solid mmos or RPGs. Why do think there is no in-game economy? Why are the missions and bounties the same simple tasks over and over again? Why is gear randomly awarded? This is all to allow inexperienced, casual and younger gamers to feel like they are good at the game when the reality is the game is so dumbed down that anyone can be good at it.
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Hey man, when I get into the business in like 8 and a half years. You won't have to worry. I want to go into the business and one thing that i focus a lot on is story and diversity. I'm just saying that you should build your opinion on Destiny when the 2nd game for it is out because Bungie did say they made the story cryptic intentionally and if you listen to what dregs say, you'll here them calling you the dark just like in Halo where grunts would call you a demon. Bungie is trolling us pretty hard, but you just have to have the patience for it. Sure I admit that the game lacks diversity in terms of bounties, but I still enjoy playing the game. Plus if content was truly taken out before launch, we would never know, it was most likely Activisions idea. Activision and Bungie had a deal that if the game got good reviews, which it didnt but i'll explain that later, Bungie would have to pay Activision a fortune. Activision tricked Bungie to take out content so that Bungie would get worst reviews than it should which in turn would force Bungie to pay Activision a pile of cash. That sounds like something Activision would do, you remember Infinity Ward. Reviews for games by companies have become unreliable lately. They give the reviewer one day to make a review and that isn't enough time. The reviewer has other things to do not just play a bit of the game and wright a page long review on it. What i'm saying isn't bs. I saw this in a video by inside gaming. The reviewer is stressed out right. So he gives the game a bad review because he rushed through it. Anyway, Activision is screwing us all, Bungie is a victim too, and you should look forward to seeing me present an award winning game in the future at E3.
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Edited by bill0517: 10/31/2014 3:12:00 AMI wish you the best of luck in all of your future endeavors in pursuing a career in the industry. I don't have a thorough and detailed knowledge of any of the agreements between bungie and activision so I cannot comment on the validity of anything you said in the area. But if any of the things you said concerning bungie and activision are true that only supports my argument that corporate greed and politics got in the way of the quality of the game. I have no intention of waiting for a dlc or the second installment of the series for a quality gaming experience. We shouldn't have to wait. We didn't have to wait for a dlc or halo 2 for the story in the original Halo to make sense. This is just a further marketing ploy designed to suck more money out of ours pockets through sub par products.
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Thank you and I guess we just have two different opinions.
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I totally agree with you dude. I was planning on buying the DLC when the game came out but after experiencing all this BS and greed from these companies, I will not be buying the DLC and I will trade in Destiny for another game at Gamestop
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Dont purchase the dlc if you havnt already. Hurt them in the pocket, its their weak point
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Agree bump it up... I'm sick of this new trend of releasing unfinished overhyped games
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Bump for you sir
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A big bump to my man bill
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I bump this
