Final fantasy 11 is 12 bucks per month, but there is so much to do on there. I played it for 10 years. Never bored. Always something to do. Relic, mythic, emper. Weapons takes months to get. You can easily separate hardcore players from causal players in ff11. That 12 bucks per month was worth it. Destiny offer no long term goals at all. A person who only play for one whole day can have better gears/weapons than person who played for 2 months so far.