In Destiny we learn of the Warminds, superior AI built during the Golden Age. One of them, Rasputin, survived the collapse.
As far as I know it isn't made clear how many Warminds there are, but we can speculate that there were 9 built, one for each planet in the solar system.
Following this, what if the nine warminds, are [b][i]The Nine[/b][/i].?
The following is gathered form the grimoire cards, each giving a contradictory view of what the Nine might actually be, and there are [i]nine[/i] possible descriptions:
[quote]he Nine are survivors of the cis-Jovian colonies who made a compact with an alien force to ensure their own survival.
[b]The Nine are deep-orbit warminds who weathered the Collapse in hardened stealth platforms.[/b]
The Nine are ancient leviathan intelligences from the seas of Europa or the hydrocarbon pits of Titan.
The Nine arrived in a mysterious transmission from the direction of the Corona-Borealis supercluster.
The Nine are the firstborn Awoken and their minds now race down the field lines of the Jupiter-Io flux tube.
The Nine are Ghosts who pierced the Deep Black without a ship and meditated on the hissing silence of the heliopause.
[b]The Nine are the aspects of the Darkness, broken by the Traveler's rebuke, working to destroy us from within.[/b]
The Nine is a viral language of pure meaning.
[b]The Nine are the shadows left by the annihilation of a transcendent shape, burned into the weft of what is[/b].[/quote]
I've bolded the ones I think are relevant to my theory.
Now I should say in addition to my theory, I believe that the Traveler is the vessel of the Darkness and the Speaker is a prophet so to speak (pun intended). The Traveler might be using us to wipe out the warminds, who were tasked with humanity's defense. (Disclaimer, this short bit was not my own idea, but it fits along with my narrative)
[b]I believe the Warminds never actually "died" during the collapse. We are told this in order to be misled.[/b]
Looking at the one in particular that mentions the warminds being a shadow of a transcendent shape, burnt into the weft of what was, I believe this to be key.
[b]In fact, I believe we have already eliminated two Warminds.....Atheon, and the Black Garden's Heart[/b]
It makes sense, as crazy as it may seem at first. We are systematically being sent to wipe out these beings. Why would the Speaker, the Traveler's voice, want us to eliminate them? It's also worth noting that both Atheon, and the Black Garden's Heart were locked away in vaults.
[b]This was in order to protect themselves from the Traveler and its aggressors. They were locked out of time so that the Traveler could not interfere.[/b]
In sum, I think Guardians are being used to wipe out the Warminds, who are vastly superior AI transcendent beings who have sealed themselves out of time in Vaults until enough Guardians exist to turn against the Traveler and stop it. The Darkness is not really what we think it is. The Warminds are waiting until the right moment to strike back, and do what they were "designed" to do--protect humanity.
Thanks for taking the time to read this. Even if I am way off base I enjoyed exploring this idea! I will update this as needed.
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There are only 8 planets. :-( Seriously though, I like this and the many other theories. Weird that we are all making all this stuff up to cover the absence of a deeper story. G
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About the Traveler... How does this sound? And as the universe ticks on towards the close, the great players will face each other. In the next round there will be three queens and all of them will have armies, and now it will be a battle of swords - until one discovers the cannon, or the plague, or the killing word. Everything is becoming more ruthless and in the end only the most ruthless will remain (LOOK UP AT THE SKY) and they will hunt the territories of the night and extinguish the first glint of competition before it can even understand what it faces or why it has transgressed. This is the shape of victory: to rule the universe so absolutely that nothing will ever exist except by your consent. This is the queen at the end of time, whose sovereignty is eternal because no other sovereign can defeat it. And there is no reason for it, no more than there was reason for the victory of the atom. It is simply the winning play. From the Grimoire Card The Darkness 3
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One problem. In the dlc we just protected Rasputin from the hive and didn't blow him up or anything.
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So if what you say is true the Guardians are the travelers loyal hounds of hell that don't questions anything except undying loyalty. Maybe that is why we have all these different factions with opposing views?
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Would be cool if Rasputin was the reason for the collapse somehow and traveled back in time to correct the problem.( the thing he's looking for on earth). The stranger and her fireteam are his only allies.
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Spess.
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As witty as this is, The Nine are humans that fled to one of Jupiter's moons when the collapse began. Nice try, though.
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Youre overthinking this. There is no story behind destiny.
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This is an old thread, but noticing in the comments people questioned why would xur sell weapons to help the Traveller's cause. It's not the weapon's he is selling, it's the truth, in the exotics descriptions. He's selling us our freedom from the traveller. Just an idea, to back up you're old, but still good, theory
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my god, what if lack of story, or the holes therein, was done purposefully?! bungie, you wily bastards!
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Is nine the new seven?
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Maybe the exo stranger is from the future mentioned by someone. Maybe thats why she doesn't have a ghost. She might have destroyed it after they found out the traveller was evil. Her rifle has this description "Ghost's analysis suggests this weapon has been exposed to incredible forces...and that parts of it shouldn't yet exist." So maybe she rly is from the future :/
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FALLEN/ past participle of fall. Theology Having sinned:fallen human nature (Of a soldier) killed in battle:fallen heroes I think the Fallen could be the last remnants of a broken Earth that tried to rebel agains the "Traveller" just like the Awoken fled from Earth they choose to stay and fight. HIVE/ .a nest for bees .the bees living in a hive .a place filled with busy activity 1.a. a container for housing honeybees b. usuall aboveground nest of bees 2. colony of bees 3. a place swarming with activity The HIVE must have a Queen and I pressume she is Crotas mother, we have just seen ERIS the new tower vendor she is possibly his Sister. I believe this family have encountered the traveller before and once they learned its true nature they went to war with it. VEX/ 1.make (someone) feel annoyed, frustrated, or worried, especially with trivial matters. "the memory of the conversation still vexed him" I Maybe looking at this from the wrong angle but my thinking is that the VEX are from the future and are the creation of a GUARDIAN. Possibly one of the supposedly dead Guardians that faced Atheon he was lost in time and has learned the true meaning of the "LIGHT"/TRAVELER. CABAL/ A cabal is a group of people united in some close design together, usually to promote their private views or… interests in a church, state, or other community, often by intrigue, usually unbeknownst to persons outside their group. The Cabal are part of a larger group possibly a galaxy legion that is tasked with protecting the weaker civilizations in our universe. Have you heard the tower propaganda" The Cabal are the enemy" I think not. I think the traveller is the reason for our progress both present and past he is seen as a God. He has been in contact with other civilizations outwith Earth(Fallen & Hive) and is the reason for their progress. He wants death this feeds him he is a parasite. When he has what he wants he manipulates the host by bringing them back from the death and making them do his work. The darkness is what follows him because everywhere he goes he leaves behind destruction. Most Importantly the Guardians who have supposedly been lost in the raids are part of a rebellion Eris is a dwarf planet, the biggest one and it rotates around our sun. We know that crota takes many forms. She is the same she can take a wizard a knight or the image we see her. The Stranger is working for the Guardian rebellion from the future. This is why she doesn't help alter your DESTINY. Maybe I'm wrong and just making up my own story. :)
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The heart isn't dead tho. I can come back.
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Or the nine are agents if the war minds [i]working[/i] for them
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Dude I love reading all these tempted and comments keep it up !
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What about the first one about the ones that made a pack with an alien. Force?
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There are nine of those origins too. maybe each one is telling the origin of one particular warmind?
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So in other words, xur is an agent who got greedy and now hes a double agent?
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Whoooa thats crazy. Has anybody else ever heard the Speaker say "I wish The Nine would help" when walking away after speaking from him?I heard that the other day and found it interesting.
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They are one of the nine, the nine are nine different things.
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I read the community's lost trust in the Traveler as a metaphor for its lost trust in Bungie.
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Bungie ... I see what you did there
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Yeah but why would xur give us exotics to help us kill Atheon etc. and quote "I believe I am here to help you" theory broken.
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[quote]The Nine are survivors of the cis-Jovian colonies who made a compact with an alien force to ensure their own survival. [b]The Nine are deep-orbit warminds who weathered the Collapse in hardened stealth platforms.[/b] The Nine are ancient leviathan intelligences from the seas of Europa or the hydrocarbon pits of Titan. The Nine arrived in a mysterious transmission from the direction of the Corona-Borealis supercluster. The Nine are the firstborn Awoken and their minds now race down the field lines of the Jupiter-Io flux tube. The Nine are Ghosts who pierced the Deep Black without a ship and meditated on the hissing silence of the heliopause. [b]The Nine are the aspects of the Darkness, broken by the Traveler's rebuke, working to destroy us from within.[/b] The Nine is a viral language of pure meaning. [b]The Nine are the shadows left by the annihilation of a transcendent shape, burned into the weft of what is[/b].[/quote] I think these are 9 different parts of "The Nine". One of which being war minds, not all.