[quote]The blade dancer can clear out groups, but both the titan striker and warlock voidwalker do it faster and more efficiently. [/quote] This is inaccurate and small minded. Titans and warlocks may clear a small group faster, but a Bladedancer can clear waves of adds repeatedly during their super, resulting in vastly more kills when done by a skilled player. Example: I activate arc blade with razors edge perk and clear literally the entire legion when the Templar summons them in one super. You should see the orbs raining from the tips of my blades. [quote] Titans are technically the best for holding the relic since they are built for melee, the extra armour means they can take more hits, speed is well and good, but you dont need to move far, so speed is not as necessary, the problem is that hunters are squishy, so it can be problematic. [/quote] Umm Bladedancer is built for melee too, you know that right? Completely invalidates your point in one sentence. Extra armor??? I move so fast and lethally, I never take a single hit when taking down the Minotaur or the snipers. Unlike you clunky titans with your skeet shot jump which leaves you completely vulnerable the entire length of the jump. And squishy? You realize that a good hunter is speccd full armor (which is only slightly lower than a Titan at max armor) during every raid right? The difference is unnoticeable because, again, hunters won't get hit as much. Honestly the only thing Titans are good for is weapons of light for the hunters. Warlocks are for cheesing. If either of those classes didn't have those abilities, you'd find yourself on the wrong end of the "X class is useless!" Forum. Good day. *drops mic*

Hunters are bad

The blade dancer takes longer to clear out an area, not to mention takes longer to get started in clearing an area. The two are used for two different situations, titans and warlocks are good for taking out groups when your team is in trouble, while the blade dancer is good for pre planning to take out a group of enemies, which is nice and all, but doesnt save your team. Second you cant run faster then a bullet, sorry just doesnt happen, i have had a fair number of hunters tell me that they have problems with the relic because of their lack of armour, and lack of recovery speed. You can move as fast as you want but by the end you still meed to go up to that minotaur and hit it at least three times, then good luck getting away from his melee every time. I never said hunters were bad with the relic, i simply stated that everything about a titan is technically designed for that fighting style. The arc balder is only close range when they activate their super, at which point they can have a shield to protect them, all the rest of the time the hunter has things like blink strike and throwing knives, which are longer range melees. There is a reason the titan gets a shotgun as its first special weapon and hunters get a sniper rifle. And when a hunter has full armour it no longer has that speed, you get one or the other, you can make your hunter be like a titan, where they are slow and have good defence, but then what is the point in you arguing for a hunter?

You are just so blatantly wrong on so many points. And it's painfully obvious that you don't fully understand the razors edge perk or the entirety of the relic holder experience. I'll break it down for you. Razors edge is an aoe ranged ground attack that can be used multiple times to completely obliterate everything in its path. Takes no more time than any other super (save maybe a second or two against a panic ground slam which has only one charge and limited range and can't be used on fanatics which are the largest groups in the entire raid). During the relic phase, you can completely avoid being melee'd by the minotard but jump attacking him repeatedly (which is much faster on a hunter due to a quick, concise jump, instead of a slow, lengthy jet pack thrust). And you can usually one shot all 3 snipers in one well executed strike. And if you miss, DONT RUN DIRECTLY AT THEM, if you run at an angle they miss their shots. This is like a bird arguing with a snake about the best way to fly. You're obviously not speaking from experience here. Edit: And saying that striker is more built for melee than Bladedancer is ignorant. Both supers are melee, both melee attacks are, of course, melee oriented. Blink strike closes distance, not creates it, your points don't support your argument.

I use the relic every time it teleports me and have only failed with it 2 times in my last 3 raids, one was because of the glitch where the minotaur gets its health back and the second was because of the glitch where the relic doesnt end up doing damage for some reason. I have no need for your time consuming jumping and fancy moves, i jump in from the top of the stairs do you ground smash and then consecutively hit them with the right trigger attack, fast, easy, and no problems. And the hunter super takes longer to activate, everyone knows that, that is why people dont refer to it as a panic super, or does such a simple consent escape you. I have played as ever class and every subclass, so ya i do have experience and i do know what i am talking about.

The fact that you failed 66.6% of the time you had it and blame glitches says a lot about your lack of argument here. "Time consuming jumps and fancy manuevers" spoken like a true troglodyte. You speak of efficiency and then boast about using the slower, less efficient method of relic attack. Thank you so much for publicly denouncing yourself by opening your mouth and attempting to sound like you know what you're doing lol. You have a lvl 24 and a 26 as your alts. Logic says neither of them are very experienced in the raid. Which means you are talking about things that you have no first hand experience with, other than your blatant bias with your laughable 29 Titan.

You obviously didn't understand a thing, after doing the entirety of the raid 3 times (this means multiple teleports by the way, incase you didn't realize that), i only failed 2 of the times i was teleported (not failed 2 RAIDS, i failed in two of the times i was TELEPORTED), do you understand now.

U do realize toughness doesn't have an effect in pvp and in pve there is only a slight difference so hunters die only slightly faster than titans but usually I don't get hit a lot bcuz I just blink all over the place and the enemy misses me.

No one was talking about PvP, no one even mentioned it. And that bit of extra damage that you can take can make a huge difference. But my main point was to counter him saying that hunters are the best with the relic, the titan is literally designed for the relic in the fact that it is meant for melee fighting. I have seen really good hunters with the relic and really bad titans. The majority of it has to do with the person playing the game.

Well I was talking about pvp and pve

Ya, you and no one else, this post is about PvE, and specifically the raid.

The whole point of this post is to try and stop the Hunters Discrimination. The only thing that matters is who is the one holding the controller

That is well and good, and i agree it matters who is holding the controller, but don't put up false statements about the hunter to try and make the seem better, people will just concentrate on those points and pick them apart, it ends up taking away from the purpose of your post. It is better to stat that all classes can do everything, then to try and say that a hunter is best in this role.

Shouldn't post false statements about titans being better relic holders or being able to kill more efficiently with their super. People just might pick you apart ;)

Ask the majority of people and see who thinks titans are built for the relic as opposed to hunters. The majority of people are going to say that my statement is actually true.