First off no need to attack for no reason since I'm not trying to be a dick. Ultimately I couldn't care less if people get to 30 since the only thing it makes a difference in is the hard raid and the one week every month IB is going to be out. It doesn't make a difference to me if someone had earned it through IB or the raid. The point to my post and the OP was now that PvP has a way of getting to 30 (or at least partially) it should be equally as hard to obtain the gear as it is to get raid gear. As stated above, at the moment level 30 in the game is the pinnacle of leveling and as with any other online multiplayer game it should be difficult and should take multiple hours to get there. It should be something that people look at and say "I want to be 30 at some point in the future" not something that anyone can obtain right off the bat or assume they will get in one raid run. I don't agree with the RNG raid system as is because it does allow for people to potentially do hard raid one time as a level 29 and instantly be 30 after one go which isn't fair to the people who have put the time in and may only have one or two pieces. Speaking of which if you know anyone that has done the raid "a ton" I would love to know their user name so I can examine their stats out of curiosity. I've also read plenty of posts of individuals that claim they have done the raid 20 plus times and have never been given a single piece of raid gear but in many cases once you look at the stats their story falters in some way. Everyone I know or have ever raided with in the game who actually has put the time in to do the raid 20+ times (normal and hard combination) has at least one piece of raid gear if not one or two 30 characters. In addition I am totally on board with helping those people raid if they've truly done the raid that many times with no gear awarded.