Oh my god. Its like nobody knows how the weapons in this game work. 1) You don't understand how weapon range works. Range falloff works as follows. Super Awesome Gun has X range. The damage difference between a target standing at X-1 and right in front of your face is 0. This is true in all cases except when spread is an issue. Typically, spread only matters after X. With most fusion rifles (and I use a 77 wiz myself), as long as you ADS, you won't see spread inside your range of X. 2) Impact MEANS ABSOLUTELY -blam!-ING NOTHING IN PVP 3) Did you watch the video? That is not a "miss horribly', that is a blink dodge. This is not the issue being discussed here. 4) [quote]Even if you're a relatively low level Guardian in the Iron Banner, I assume that you would do full damage to a level 30 Guardian if you had a fully upgraded Legendary or Exotic weapon (300 Attack). This is fair, since being level 30 doesn't make you more skilled than a level 29 or even a level 25. It just means that you got lucky with RNG in the Raid. [/quote] This is how I know you have no idea what I'm actually talking about and are just here to hop on a mad cuz bad train. If all pvp dmg is based on the weapon's level, then there is literally no difference in being level 20 and being level 30, since this entire game is about killing people before they can react to kill you. I'd call it an instagib meta, but sometimes you have to shoot 3-4 shots. This is important for a number of reasons: -obtaining gear above level 26 in light level is actually difficult. it is a time sink into rng rom the "hardest content int he game" that cannot be worked around -you are guaranteed to hit light level 26 as long as you actually play this game [b]If the only thing I have to do to be fully competitive with dudes decked out in the hardest gear to obtain IN THE GAME is spend my first vanguard marks on a fusion rifle, upgrade it, and one shot everyone in IB, this game is doomed. [/b] To combat this, you know... to give people a reason to actually spend the effort and time to farm light level gear you could have an event, maybe [i][b]we can call it IRON BANNER[/b][/i], where your light level makes you more powerful than the opponent. Oh my gosh, its almost like, [i]thats exactly what was described by bungie[/i]. Except in the current Iron Banner, the only thing that really matters in this near-if-not instagib meta is WEAPON LEVEL, which is hundreds of times easier to farm than LIGHT LEVEL, and is dependent on only ONE piece of gear on your character. [u][i][b]IDK how many times I can explain this to you idiots, but I do not expect to win every iron banner match just because I'm 30. I do expect there to be some kind of pvp mode in this game where being level 30 actually makes me HARDER TO KILL by unseasoned (anybody 26 and under) players than being one shot by non-heavy guns of any kind.[/b][/i][/u]