I see all your points a respect what u say. I agree, i guess I'm pretty lucky in that my 1st n only raid garnered me atheons auto rifle with void damage (now I see how lucky I am with this piece considering I couldn't unlock the necessary kills with void damage in the crucible to achieve the thorn hand cannon). I also got kabrs boots, they look sick and surpass my iron banner boots, less than a week after buying those, sheesh. And...I also got the chatter white shader, apparently rare. Have to admit, I practically saw myself in the tower, armor, class n shader, so how rare is that? Oh well, still look n feel super sexy. Again thx boys, your feedback gave me a different perspective.