There you go assuming I play crucible for marks... see that is where your fault is and ultimately where your argument fails. We who play PvP on a regular basis are doing it because we think it is FUN even though it has it´s bugs and so on. Fun is the main reason and marks are a bloody bonus. Also the whole running around in circles in a PvE map collecting materials is mindnumbingly booring (to me at least and ALOT of other people aswell) but you don´t see me cry about that cause it´s a part of the grind that Destiny and so many other games have. I just sense you have animosity towards PvP players and your reply and posts are seething with it. In closing the aquisition speed of marks is not why people play crucible for the most part, most play cause it´s FUN and the longer lasting content in Destiny atm. Anyone who plays Crucible for marks only is a sad person indeed because they don´t like PvP. But yet again nothing says that you HAVE to get the faction gear cause the Vanguard gear is just as valid and more wellrounded to begin with aka suited for PvE. The fact that you lot of people haven´t figured it out already why Vanguard and Crucible vendors are separated and use different currency is a testament to this whole discussion and that your argument is flawed. PvP people have brains, you sir on the other hand have one but it is severely damaged and you might want to have a doctor prescribe you something to increase it´s functionality. And yes feel free to reply as this is indeed a worthy post, only people like you put it to shame.