Correct. I think alot of people jumped on the thorn band wagon and said it was crap because everyone else did. I got the thorn pre patch and even with no perks after 30 mins it was already one of my favourite handcannons despite having TLW and other legendary handcannons, and had no problem getting 2 kds in pvp without perks and killing stuff in pve. That damage along with its range and accuracy are some of the highest out of any other handcannon besides hawkmoon range. Thorn still has better accuracy tho i think