We still get 2 crucible marks for the loss right? ;) I wonder what you get for a zero : zero draw? It's not like we are asking for Lord Saladin to accept Vanguard Reputation and Marks. I got to Rank 5 + 4 + 4 in Iron Banner because I wanted all of Saladins sweet offerings, and yet I much prefer PvE to PvP. Having discovered in the first week of the game that PvE is "better with friends", I don't know why it took me so long to figure out that the hours of misery I had in PvP were because I was by myself. As soon as I started to team up with people in Iron Banner, PvP became much more bareable, almost enjoyable.