All because of the templar fix.
Unless you have an experienced raid team and good weapons the hard mode raid is an excruciatingly painful experience.
Templar is easily the hardest part of the raid. Without the cheese my raid team and I get stuck at templar for hours sometimes. We never cheesed atheon or NM Templar. We only cheesed HM templar to get to the rest of the raid without wanting to throw our ps4s out the window.
The hard raid is no longer worth it imo.
Hopefully bungie get things right with crotas end.
Edit: What I'm trying to say is that HM templar is harder than it should be and sometimes causes so much frustration that I would rather not do the raid at all. I have beat HM templar many times legit. Just sharing my opinion about the fight.
Edit: Didn't think this would cause such a stir.
Reading through the responses has made me realize how toxic this community is.
Apperently opinions aren't welcome here.
Though I did see some light in the darkness.
IE. people respecting my opinion even if they disagreed
Edit: I want to make it clear that I don't like to cheese or ever relied on the cheese. My raid Team and I are very experienced in the VoG and have beat HM templar many times. I just feel templar needs a little tweeking.
If you think I'm just a scrub and I should "get gud" then that's your opinion and I will respect it.
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I ran the HM Raid with my friends and two randoms last night and only wiped once at the Templar fight. We did it by going to the far back-right corner of the arena. That was a good spot to bottleneck the minions, take cover from Templar barrage, cover each other's backs, prevent Templar from teleporting to the area in front of us and get good angles on Templar when his shield is down. If your team is separated and running around like chickens without heads, of course it is going to be super hard. Your team has to stick together and operate as one unit. It is difficult now mainly because many ppl have been cheesing the exploit for so long they don't remember how to beat him legit. In time, the players will learn and Templar will be a push over, even on hard.