I have no love for the new weapons and armor that have come with The Dark Below; I'll get that statement out of the way early.
The new Warlock armors not only look like ass, but their final stat bonuses are [i]worse than[/i] the Raid gear I currently have. Sure, I might be able to take the defense higher, but if it drops my Strength, Intellect, and Disciple; what good is it? Even using RT to look at the finished stats and compare to my fully upgraded VoG gear; even if I maxed out this new Vanguard armor, my Str, Int, and Dis would all take a pretty decent hit.
Also; for the people who love to say that "hurr every MMO does this. You never get the option to upgrade your old gear hurr durr". Bullshit.
Most every MMO allows for a wide variety of weapon/armor upgrades, and they don't exclude the older items. They might require a special item quest to get some specific part/ingredient/material to upgrade those old items to the new levels, but they still allow it.
Why would I want to ditch everything that my Warlock has, to "upgrade" and continue to look like everyone else? More choices in any game is always a great thing. Making the older items obsolete and unavailable decreases player choice and freedom. That lack of choices will always be a very, very bad thing for video games.
If Bungie [i]really[/i] wants us to "build your own Guardian. Make your guardian Legend", then they need to quit forcing us into these pre-set, cookie-cutter molds.
Let us upgrade any and all weapons. Let us upgrade any and all armor. Or if you have to limit what is allowed to upgrade (which you shouldn't, but since you're not going to read this anyway...), then limit it to Legendary and Exotic weapons and armor. They are, after all; Legendary and Exotic, they should follow a better set of rules.
For those who would say: "hurr durr if they let you upgrade any damn thing, what would be the incentive to buy the DLC herp derp"
The incentive is still the Raid, story missions, new bounties, new weapons and armors (yeah, I went there), higher level cap.
Why argue to let every Legendary and Exotic upgrade, then mention the new weapons and armors as good things?
Because again; this all goes back to more options and player choice. Players should [b]have the option to choose:[/b]
1) Upgrade current (pre-TDB) Legendary weapons/armor.
2) replace current weapons/armor with new weapons/armor.
3) A healthy mix of 1 & 2.
At least give us the [u]choice[/u], Bungie.
Telling us to create our own, individual Guardians and to forge them into Legend; then force us into cookie-cutter, Storm Trooper-esque clones who all look the same and have the same combinations of Perks and abilities is just wrong.
I love this game, I really do. I'm acidic and cynical in my critique because I know this game could be so much more. And it would be much more than it is if you would actually listen to people and get your heads out of your asses.
Don't add choices while taking other choice options away, then telling us we have more choices than ever when you removed an equal amount to what was added. Actually give us choices.
As much choice as you can pack in to a game. Especially since it isn't limited by the space of our HDD's. Will people buy a game with more choices?
Ask Bethesda. It worked for them with Skyrim. And Skyrim has sold vastly more copies than you have in its first three months.
And people still love and spend ignorant amounts of time wandering Skyrim to this very day.
You want the positive effects of stupidly large amounts of player choice? Look to The Elder Scrolls, the Dragon Age series, etc.
But please, Bungie. Give us more choices, more options, more ways to upgrade all of our Legendary as well as Exotic gear.
Because Destiny deserves better than you've given to it.
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Bump. The new weapons are arguably worse than pre DLC ones as well. Pulse rifles in particular have atrocious time to kill. I don't mind grinding out some bounties per weapon and armor that give me the boost. Why they wouldn't do this is beyond me.
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Take your bump. I'm all for FULL customization of my character - whether Bungie can do this before HoW goes live is the question, and it's all the time they have it seems considering how many pissed off customers they have following TDB launch.
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Unless I'm doing hardcore CE which I don't intense on doing, I'm not dropping any of my VoG weapons. They are just to good to be made so irrelevant so fast. Bungie realized this and made the primaries hard mode only which is upsetting. I mean Blizzard has updated countless raid from old wow to be relevant with what they have today. Why can't Bungie do the same thing?
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Edited by MaxSterling: 12/11/2014 3:29:51 PMhttp://youtu.be/k5atk-3jRXQ?t=3m26s Go to 3:26 into the video... [spoiler]"What I would say to anybody who wants to play Destiny is that we're going to try to make a game that will blow your mind. We want to give you more ways to experience the action. We want to give you more weapons than you can use. More ways to customize your characters so that you are truly a unique hero. We want to give you more room to wander about and explore and fight aliens with their own diversity... their own hierarchies, This game is a next generation experience in every notion of the term. Destiny has to satisfy gamers. It has to stand on it's own legs. It has to have a distinct beginning, middle, and an end. So if you buy Destiny, what you're getting is the biggest and the most ambitious game Bungie has ever created. Now our plans over the course of the next 10 years are based on our ability to make gamers happy... to give them something that they love and to satisfy them. So when you buy Destiny, you're making a commitment to just that one game. If it becomes a world that you want to be in... if it becomes a place that you want to explore... we will still be around to provide those experiences, but the game that we're releasing in September is supposed to be satisfying in and of itself. Then we will earn the right to put a number after the name of the game and release sequels or release additional episodes of content."[/spoiler] I just want to know what happened to [u]that[/u] game? [quote]We want to give you more ways to experience the action.[/quote] Then they make fixes to force players to play "their intended way". [quote]We want to give you more weapons than you can use.[/quote] Then not give us enough space to store them... and make them glorified junk with each new DLC. [quote]More ways to customize your characters so that you are truly a unique hero.[/quote] Lock most of the shaders behind RNGesus... make one set of armor available to reach the highest level... drop ships with only one color scheme. The customization is oozing. [/sarcasm]
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Bump. It's disheartening to think that by the time house of wolves rolls around, I'm going to have to dismantle all my crotas end raid gear, just like I should have dismantled every vog piece (which I haven'd, mind. The separation anxiety would have followed shortly ,_, )
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Edited by Ezra Fell: 12/17/2014 7:51:41 AMI think bumping up the VoG armor to give 33 light bonus to be on track with the new Vanguard and Crucible armor would be nice. Also, I swear to God you guys make Warlock helmets look ugly on purpose. I think you peeled the mouthpiece on one of the new Vanguard Warlock helmets from a dead Tusken Raider.
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It's becoming more clear every day on this -blam!-ing forum how inexperienced people are with the concept of this gametype. And not only that they are inexperienced with this game's concept but also make references to games that are either irrelevant or totally not true. "Look to The Elder Scrolls, the Dragon Age series, etc." I do, a lot more than you think, and I'm not the only one who does that. But did YOU look at those series? Did you play The Elder Scrolls Online? I doubt you have, because you would know it's NOTHING compared to skyrim and there is a fair reason for it. This isn't a fashion show ladies. I know people love to show off their cool new boots with sparkling heels to their 2 friends in the tower while someone blows your nice pink sparkly coat in the air with the Fan. This is the concept of Destiny and many, many, many more games out there. Maybe not on the console, which is prolly why so many ppl cry about it.
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Let bumpers hit the floor, let the bumpers hit the floor, let the bumpers hit the . . . . Fllllloooooooorrrrrrrr.
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Bump All Bungie needs to do, is the same upgrade system that the exotics use. I like the upgrades on my legendaries. :'(
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Here I bump again on my own...
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Bump. This thread will live, Bungie.
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Edited by Vampire Nox: 12/12/2014 2:27:01 PMAnd Bungie completely ignored the furor and rage that they've caused with their idiotic policies and decisions. Not even a whiff of acknowledgment or a hint that they care that they've enraged their player base and eviscerated their own reputation. Not even one single word. At least we now have proof that Activision all but owns Bungie now. At least when Microsoft owned Bungie, they talked to us and actually put effort into their games. With Activision... yeah, this is abysmal. Wonder if Microsoft would take Bungie back?
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1st, thanks 4 this post, saves me from having to make one (4 now). Please DeeJ/Bungie, let us upgrade our VoG raid gear at least, though the OP's recommendation is preferred. the moment I got the raid helmet 4 my warlock was the moment it went from my least used 2 my primary class. I will continue running VoG in hopes of getting the boots I need 2 complete my set *good joke right?! considering how broken everything in the VoG still is, including the RNG of its rewards.* but even if I miraculously manage 2 get the boots 2 drop, the VoG gear is still basically obsolete. like the OP said, new warlock gear looks awful- my opinion as well. VoG gear was the best looking in the game- also my opinion. We refuse 2 give up what we worked so much & so hard 2 acquire. *or at least I refuse* Please find a way 2 make our old gear stay relevant, & preferably go about it differently/better than how you handled keeping exotics relevant. *insert community backlash here* There, I said my piece. You keep telling us you're listening, now its time for you 2 SHOW US. The community continues to give you their feedback. Would you kindly return the favor? We're still waiting. But we won't wait 4ever. ._. TL:DR- more of the same. again. unfortunately.
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Let's just boycott the game so that they finally know we mean business
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Fully agree! 100% When Bungie announced the ability to boost/upgrade your exotics so that they can keep up with the new gear, I was excited. It's not a perfect system (waiting for Xur to have the upgrade available is extremely frustrating), but it's good that my favorite exotic guns and armor can stay with me into TDB. So WHY did they not do this for Legendary gear as well? Options and personalization are critical components of any MMO experience. It creates a sense of ownership, and avoids the frustration of losing gear you invested dozens of hours into upgrading. They've already designed the system and implemented it. The exotics upgrade system shows that it's possible within the design and technical scope of the game. I want to see that added to all legendary gear as well. Another possibility: It would also help players who are frustrated that their VoG raid gear is now equal/weaker than the gear being sold in the shops. What if raid gear was still the best gear, but you could upgrade all other legendary gear to be equal to raid gear using a special rare resource? What if that resource was only obtainable by dismantling raid gear? Upgraded Legendary gear could work the same way the Exotics upgrade works, but the resource needed to do the upgrade could still require players to beat the endgame content (raids). So, if I want my favorite chest and helmet piece to take me to lvl 30+, I would still have to earn it by beating the raid and dismantling the raid gear I didn't want. Players who are in the 30+ range would have more variation, feel more ownership over their player choices, and would still have to "earn" their place at that level by upgrading their gear using a hard to get resource.
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I'm with you on the Reforging and Upgrading options for Legendaries, for sure!
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They just removed your thread from the highest rated
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Totally agree, give the gunsmith and the armourers a useful function within the game.
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What ticks me off is the armor updates to the SAME crucible gear. Sure it is nice to have a higher light and defense level. But I have to play crucible more now to get the marks to get those pieces? THE SAME PIECES!!! I hope there is an update or upgrade that comes out to allow to just upgrade existing items. Or else it just feels like my time was wasted.
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I wouldn't mind if it cost just as much to upgrade old legendary gear as it does to buy new legendary gear if it meant I could keep my old stuff.
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Absolutely agree , not digging the way some gear looks and prefer some of my older . After time the difference between gear plus the effects of shaders , especially working at 3~+ colors would eventually make us all look more distinct. If we only wear what comes out , well only be wearing what's out . Same pants. Let Legendary & Exotic remain optional to (even at a $) level to existing cap. And also, FREE B ROBOT .
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BUMP - 1 - Why is old gear useless? After grinding and raiding for literally weeks. It's useless within a day of DLC 2 - Exotic weapons. Why now can someone get a new gun more powerful than anyone who worked and ground out for XP and materials? WTF??? 3- Armour. WTF. People can get to 31 without having A - competed in MPlayer B- even having done a raid? People didn't even raid can just buy new armour from the Vanguard? WHY>? Raid to get to 30 or compete like the rest of players. 4- 0 -customization options. All looks the same and armour gained becomes useless? Good plan!
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My biggest problem with the DLC (well one of them) is that my Iron Banner and VoG gear are all obsolete. I was under the impression they would be at least equal to new standard gear. Why wouldn't they be, when we had to work so hard for them? It's basically telling me that there is no reason to work to get the top gear, because the next update will offer new standard gear to rise above it anyway.
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Simple, it's all about PvP and everything else don't matter. The only reason people still play Skyrim and Borderlands is because of the awesome PvP. PvP is the only thing that matters to keep Destiny alive for a decade. Huh, what? There is no PvP in those games people still are playing? Maybe someone needs to tell Bungie then, these talking points I was using seems to be misinformed. lol
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Edited by KIngJS922: 12/11/2014 2:18:40 PMYeah most mmos offer a bunch of different ways to upgrade, but in most of them, the weapons you get from a tier one raid are only effective in that and maybe the tier 2 raid, there is no mmo that allows you to keep the same weapons throughout the entire lifespan of the game. For instance, in an anime beat em up called elsword, i was lvl 60, max level, they raised the max to 70, opened up an entire new area, and moved some things around to add alittle bit of end game to it. I could not use my lvl 60 gear even at lvl 65. What i think they should do though, is let the raid items in The first raid be effective in this second raid, but after that, leave the attack values at where they are now, and increase the attack value of the second raid weps for the third raid, that way there is progression.
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A lot of people been saying "Every MMO does this." What I want to know is what craptastic MMO makes Vendor wares better than the previous endgame gear after of 3 months/one update? Where MMO are these people basing Destiny on?