Your first sentence explains why this thread should not have been started. They patched the exploits in VOG, but never fixed the problems with the actual mechanics. Teleported with detainment, health regenerating minotaur, relic holder losing super during atheon fight, can't move in detainment during templar fight, and probably more than I can't think of. None of these are fixed. I frankly don't care how you, your friends or your grandma beats the raid. Cheese the living shit out of it for I care, as long as it has all the gameplay glitches worked out. You stated you haven't played the new raid yet. Therefore, you have absolutely no idea how frustrating it is to have Crota down to a sliver of health and have the sword glitch so you can't pick it up and have to wipe. Or how about a whole fireteam of 6 with 50 mbps + connections lagging like a bunch of COD players in the boss fight. Bungie, put the cheese methods on the side burning, and please fix the actual problems with not only Crota's end, but VOG as well. Some of use still like to go back and have a relaxing VOG run for fun still. lol P.S. i Re-read this post with the knowledge that you hasn't even tried the raid yet unlike the first time I read it. Wow do you sound like a complete douche. You're literally trying to control how everyone plays a game that you haven't even attempted. "I want everyone who gets the loot from the raid to feel like they earned it. Instead of the quality being deminished because people just cheesed it." ------GTFOH "I'm pretty sure the reason hard mode is not possible for a month is so they have ample time to fix any exploit." ----No shit sherlock. PPS. lol I sound like a dick here, I know this. lol I'm really not. It's just frustrating knowing that bungie with use all there fixes on the exploits and never fix the real problems just like VOG. Peace out and go to the recruitment thread to play this shit already slacker.