Almost posted this to general forums but realized it would be pointless and troll-able. So I see this all the time now where players rant about being hardcore and despising casual gamers. I feel it is a major community killer where elitists dismiss others with the casual brand. And its annoying because it always seems subjective as to what defines each group. So I was just sort of curious as to how folks out there define each group. To me it's not about the time played, the gear someone's collected, or the level of completeness achieved for a game. I think it is all about the passion for the gaming hobby. Just because someone doesn't have a schedule that allows 8 hours a day to game doesn't mean that person is any less "hardcore" if they are genuinely having fun and play hard. And the same goes the other way: a person can play 10 hours a day but if they treat it like a job and don't really play to enjoy the game are they really hardcore, or just people with more time on their hands? I personally get only about 6-8 hours a week if I'm lucky to really kick back and game. This was different when I was younger and logged 12 hour or more days playing WoW and other games. Now when I do play I play for the enjoyment of playing, just as I did back then. And that is different things in different games. Story in some, competition in others. I play just as hard during my few hours now as I did back then I just have less time to do it. I still consider myself hardcore as i have a strong passion for gaming, but I don't let it rule my life which seems to be the common conception of hardcore. So what are you folks opinions? How do you define these groups and do you feel that one group should be valued more for the other?