If you "exploit your way to greatness you're a loser"? We are both a point A and we need to get to point B. I'll take the shortest fastest route over the long slow route any day. I'd rather be a smart loser than a dumb winner I guess. Another thing all you self proclaimed badasses on here don't seem to understand, not everyone has a team full of world beaters at their disposal. We have to search for randoms to play the raids, and more times than not the random people are not very good or experienced with raids. So again, I'll be a smart loser as long as I can.

Maybe it's due to my mmo background but I have had no trouble finding solid players to group with via destinylfg and this sub. Not being a self proclaimed badass, just saying it takes minimal effort to beat it as intended. I'd be more than glad to help others due so rather than having them cheese every part of the raid and claim to have worked for their gear. Believe it or not there is a sense of accomplishment achieved when you complete it correctly. All it takes is the right outlook on what raiding is.

I completely agree with the accomplishment part. Maybe I have bad luck with getting good people to do raids. I just wish more people would spend time focusing on the "bad" glitches then the ones that help players. Glitches that keep players from beating the raids should have more of an outcry then fixing these helpful glitches. Bungie nerfed pushing Atheon off the ledge and the Templar. They should have been, yet they still haven't fixed the glitch that keeps players from teleporting correctly out of the portals.