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Edited by GouldBerg988: 1/9/2015 9:22:02 AM
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Do Crota-Kneelists deserve to get banned?

Yes, they clearly violated the Terms-of-Service

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No, because Reasons

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I don`t care, but feel the need to participate

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So [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/85926505/0/0]this [/url]Thread clearly explains why the Networkglitch is in a whole other class than all the glitches/cheesing that did go on in the vault: http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/85926505/0/0 FYI: [b]At least three persons already got banned[/b] Edit:Bungie updates stats on Crotacompletes https://twitter.com/bungie/status/546107092885446656 Inb4 Banhammer EDIT: [b]For all the Naysayers that say Bungie/sony couldn`t possibly distinguish between a random and a deliberate DC.[/b] 1.Lets just assume that there is a time-window of 5 seconds around the point where Crota kneels down to dc on purpose and use the glitch. 2.Let`s further assume that on average the ServiceProviers are reachable for 90% of the time (It`s actually more like 98%, but we will be very generous) 3.Since Crota has been “beaten” more than 160.000 times and a Raidteam consists of 6 people we will say: There are at least 1 Million chances to draw a disconnect during 2 hours (an average Raid takes this time). If we take the 10% from above we can say: 100,000 disconnects happened during all successful Crotaraids up to this point. So what is the probability that A DC happens randomly at the exact same time Crota goes down? Calculation: 2*3600/5 = 1440:= potential 5 second-time units of one single player during a successful raid 1,440,000,000= for all players Ergo The probability that a DC happens randomly at the moment where crota goes down for any Player is 100,000/1,440,000,000 = 6,94e -5 And for the special case that this DC concerns the Host: 1,16e -5 For comparison: The Probability of getting a Royal Flush in Poker: 2,57 e-5 Another Hopebubble busted by Math, sorry for that EDIT 2: I will also link to a prominent youtuber (Datto) that has the same opinion as the vocal group of "[b]It`s a cheat not a chesse[/b]" on this forum. Since he works closely with bungie you can be sure that in one way or the other Glitchers will soon befall a special "Destiny": [b]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O30249lCy1c&t=4m47s[/b] EDIT 3: This is how a big banwave looked in Halo:Reach (2010) courtesy of Bungie [quote]Good evening, We are in the process of applying credit resets to approximately 15,000 users who we have identified as the most egregious Challenge Reset abusers. A one day credit earning ban has also been applied, mostly to ensure that recipients receive an in-game notification of the action taken. As with any such measure, we have taken the time to carefully select our criteria to eliminate false positives. A more comprehensive pass will be occurring in the coming week as our automated Banhammer mechanisms grow accurate enough to satisfy our high bar for burden of proof. If you are thinking about getting an easy 50k credits by using this exploit, I would strongly advise you to reconsider. Thank you, and please direct any discussion of these resets to this thread. Edit 1: a point of clarification. No bans were handed out tonight for a) Playing too much Gruntpocalypse (no such thing!) b) Using the target locator too much (no such thing!) Specifically, we targeted an exploit that allowed players to complete a Challenge 20+ times via intentional network manipulation (i.e., disconnects.) Spot checks have revealed the telltale signature of this behavior on every denier so far, so don't be fooled by the protests of innocence. We aren't. Edit 2: 1) If you have lost your Legendary Helmet or any other downloadable offers, you can re-download them via your Download History. We're not sure this is affecting anyone (we haven't reproduced it internally), but just in case it is, give this a try. 2) We won't be resetting Commendations, as we do not feel that the exploit used affected them. It would not be fair to people who did use the exploit but who wish to retain the record of their playstyle, and we cannot differentiate between the two systematically. Sorry. --- Cheaters, be wary of the Credit Reset! [/quote] [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/15026193/0/0/1]Source[/url] [b]EDIT 4: Cheaters have officially gotten a Carte Blanche from a Studio that is a shadow of its former self Bungie does not kick ass any more. I was a fool and the cheaters have taken over. I will now make a thread to suggest to ban anyone in the future that tries to make a thread about banning someone. Bungie clearly voted for the quick buck. I hope they will live happily ever after with you and your kind. Signing out ;-)[/b]

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    • U can't get in cheese groups? Or you think your above everything. Simple

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      • Edited by Sector7slums: 12/29/2014 12:57:07 PM
        simple fact, u dashboard or plug pull, both dont change code or do some secret move, so basicly if they ban you, its for leaving the game which is so sad its funny

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      • Is it wrong to cheese Crota using a network glitch? Maybe./Who cares? Is it wrong to ban players for taking advantage of your faulty net code without the use of an outside program Yes. Patch it and move on, simple as that.

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        • Deej wrote in the end of the year message: Atheon was killed xx times and at least a dozen times without cheating ;) Thats shows us what? Exactly. They know. They think it is funny. They do not care at all as long as the money is flowing.

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          • What's with all these threads telling others how they should play? When someone can explain to me how I play my game negatively impacts the way they play, maybe I'll consider it. Until then...quit trying to dictate how I play.

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            • Let's just assume for a moment that this actually affects you directly. Lmao, How about playing your game how you see fit ,and quit worrying about everybody else.

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            • It actually happened to my group before any of us knew about. All I hear is my friend who was are sword bearer -blam!- me! I got weasel!! We started laughing when we noticed Crota wasn't getting up. We were all confused and what not. Then died by over soul because it was the second week the raid was out. Then the next week everyone knows about it.

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            • Edited by UNDEAD HATER: 12/29/2014 12:33:36 PM
              If Crota wants to stay on he's knees let him he has other work to do

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            • They can't ban for taking advantage of a weakness in bungie game... if they don't want people to do it they need to fix it. I'm neither for nor against "cheesing". I'm just being real

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              • Never cheesed. But I don't care. Maybe we should ban Bungie for making a half assed game?

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              • I think all the people who bitch about the cheesers or bring up topics about banning cheesers should be the ones who get banned You play your way, they play theirs. Problem solved.

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              • No. I don't like doing it but this is bungies fault. They need to fix it. They shouldn't punish other people (especially their own loyal customers) for their mistake.

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              • Edited by tc2theory: 12/29/2014 6:06:08 AM
                not saying they will but they can. if you look up the list of ways to get banned by bungie, one says "modification or interruption of destiny network traffic with intent to disrupt other players experiences or to gain advantage in the game" my main question is if they do ban, will it be the one who disconnected or the whole fire team involved http://www.bungie.net/en/Help/Article/11929

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              • Edited by ZanzaJoe: 12/28/2014 2:22:01 PM
                Reason to care why. You may want to edit this in. I, [b]we[/b], care about it because there is a section of the gaming community that enjoy the fact that they can accomplish something that the vast majority can not. It's fun to be in the smaller % player base that can actually clear challenging content. Games with the raid aspect thrive on this section of the community. [b]Cheating[/b] the fight gives you the same rewards/accomplishment as I gained by following through intended rules. I think everyone using a network glitch should at the very least have a roll back and lose what was gained by [b]cheating[/b]

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                • this glitch has been out for weeks and they havent fixed it so they shouldnt ban ppl. Its not a hard fix so meh...

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                • OP is a retard. Get this kid back on the short bus.

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                • U were the kid that told the teacher she forgot to assign homework...

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                  • Hypothetical math is always the most sound math. I initially agreed about it being ban worthy (only if done after bungie issued a statement that they would ban players who took advantage) but since they haven't I really don't think they can [i]easily[/i] figure out who has glitched the raid and who hasn't. My new thinking is that literally sooooooo many people have done it now (pretty much every lfg group wants to cheese him) all a ban is going to do is piss off a majority of loyal players and make them go to other games to wait the ban out my guess is only a fraction would come back for the next DLC

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                  • Killing him legit is easy as long as everyone plays their part, I've killed him in 3 swords almost 2 and it took like 5-6 min or whatever but the problem is people don't listen want to do shit their own way and then get frustrated cause they can't do it...so they cheese prime example is the one guy on the Knights that then decides not to be looking at them and I get killed as I'm slashing away, they continue to do this and then blame everybody else and rage quit. Point is the hardest part is finding a group of people that can think strategically at all. The sad thing is if you do this entire raid properly it's really fun and requires good coordination but it's all good cause the pretenders will be separated from the rest when hard mode comes out and you can't cheese

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                  • Of the 3.2 million that log on and play destiny and the number of people that have actually beat crota it is .00025

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                  • Stupid math. Where did you get your stats? You made them up. I can make up stays that support the other opinion all day. Lame post.

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                  • Kneelist isn't a word.

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                    • Edited by Progo: 12/28/2014 2:26:01 PM
                      I know Bungie quite well, they wouldn't ban. They [i]might[/i] remove rewards. Also, exploiters are helping them fix it for the hard raid.

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                      • I like how everyone is worried about one part of the raid. "OMG CHEESING CROTA IS SO WRONG. PEOPLE GET FREE STUFF. " It's way easier to do the first two parts and reap those rewards. I'd rather them fix the first parts of the raid than the last.

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                      • Why do you care what other people do? Bungie will patch this out as they were smart to wait to release hard mode because I bet they saw it coming. People cheesing this stuff while they can doesnt have any effect on your gameplay. Play how you want and stop worrying about other people. Bungie already knows. Kwesdog

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