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Do Crota-Kneelists deserve to get banned?

Yes, they clearly violated the Terms-of-Service

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No, because Reasons

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I don`t care, but feel the need to participate

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So [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/85926505/0/0]this [/url]Thread clearly explains why the Networkglitch is in a whole other class than all the glitches/cheesing that did go on in the vault: http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/85926505/0/0 FYI: [b]At least three persons already got banned[/b] Edit:Bungie updates stats on Crotacompletes https://twitter.com/bungie/status/546107092885446656 Inb4 Banhammer EDIT: [b]For all the Naysayers that say Bungie/sony couldn`t possibly distinguish between a random and a deliberate DC.[/b] 1.Lets just assume that there is a time-window of 5 seconds around the point where Crota kneels down to dc on purpose and use the glitch. 2.Let`s further assume that on average the ServiceProviers are reachable for 90% of the time (It`s actually more like 98%, but we will be very generous) 3.Since Crota has been “beaten” more than 160.000 times and a Raidteam consists of 6 people we will say: There are at least 1 Million chances to draw a disconnect during 2 hours (an average Raid takes this time). If we take the 10% from above we can say: 100,000 disconnects happened during all successful Crotaraids up to this point. So what is the probability that A DC happens randomly at the exact same time Crota goes down? Calculation: 2*3600/5 = 1440:= potential 5 second-time units of one single player during a successful raid 1,440,000,000= for all players Ergo The probability that a DC happens randomly at the moment where crota goes down for any Player is 100,000/1,440,000,000 = 6,94e -5 And for the special case that this DC concerns the Host: 1,16e -5 For comparison: The Probability of getting a Royal Flush in Poker: 2,57 e-5 Another Hopebubble busted by Math, sorry for that EDIT 2: I will also link to a prominent youtuber (Datto) that has the same opinion as the vocal group of "[b]It`s a cheat not a chesse[/b]" on this forum. Since he works closely with bungie you can be sure that in one way or the other Glitchers will soon befall a special "Destiny": [b]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O30249lCy1c&t=4m47s[/b] EDIT 3: This is how a big banwave looked in Halo:Reach (2010) courtesy of Bungie [quote]Good evening, We are in the process of applying credit resets to approximately 15,000 users who we have identified as the most egregious Challenge Reset abusers. A one day credit earning ban has also been applied, mostly to ensure that recipients receive an in-game notification of the action taken. As with any such measure, we have taken the time to carefully select our criteria to eliminate false positives. A more comprehensive pass will be occurring in the coming week as our automated Banhammer mechanisms grow accurate enough to satisfy our high bar for burden of proof. If you are thinking about getting an easy 50k credits by using this exploit, I would strongly advise you to reconsider. Thank you, and please direct any discussion of these resets to this thread. Edit 1: a point of clarification. No bans were handed out tonight for a) Playing too much Gruntpocalypse (no such thing!) b) Using the target locator too much (no such thing!) Specifically, we targeted an exploit that allowed players to complete a Challenge 20+ times via intentional network manipulation (i.e., disconnects.) Spot checks have revealed the telltale signature of this behavior on every denier so far, so don't be fooled by the protests of innocence. We aren't. Edit 2: 1) If you have lost your Legendary Helmet or any other downloadable offers, you can re-download them via your Download History. We're not sure this is affecting anyone (we haven't reproduced it internally), but just in case it is, give this a try. 2) We won't be resetting Commendations, as we do not feel that the exploit used affected them. It would not be fair to people who did use the exploit but who wish to retain the record of their playstyle, and we cannot differentiate between the two systematically. Sorry. --- Cheaters, be wary of the Credit Reset! [/quote] [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/15026193/0/0/1]Source[/url] [b]EDIT 4: Cheaters have officially gotten a Carte Blanche from a Studio that is a shadow of its former self Bungie does not kick ass any more. I was a fool and the cheaters have taken over. I will now make a thread to suggest to ban anyone in the future that tries to make a thread about banning someone. Bungie clearly voted for the quick buck. I hope they will live happily ever after with you and your kind. Signing out ;-)[/b]

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  • What I don't get is how they would even know... I mean someone could report you. They could at most check to see if you disconnected during the fight but then what? I mean what if your power went out, Internet out, cat turned it off, etc. regardless if they should get banned or not idk how bungie would know. Regardless I'm not gunna risk it

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    • According to the cartoon rug rats the moon is made of cheese, thus cheesing is legal.. >.>

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    • Fix all the glitchs bungie..

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    • Edited by l Ellz l: 12/22/2014 9:16:09 AM
      I've beaten the full thing legit a few times I'm not going to stop other people from making my raid experience easier.

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    • No, because it's still a beta right?

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      • I've only done it "legit". But who's to say what is legit??? The raids are designed to be a puzzle / something you need to work out. If someone has worked out an alternate way to do it, fair play. If bungie doesn't want them to be able to do it certain ways it is up to them to stop it in the first place. Not ban them after?! There certainly hasn't been a message from bungie saying the kneeling way is "against terms". I just hope for a patch soon. The normal way is really fun... That and all I keep getting is the stupid fusion rifle and it sucks a little to know people cheated black hammer haha

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      • Edited by MortalGod: 12/22/2014 9:06:42 AM
        And what is your deal whether they glitch or not ??? I mean, if you can take him out legit then good for you! Some people are not at the same skill, or they just too bored to do the real fight (even though the glitch takes longer to perform). My point is that I really don't care if someone is using a cheat/glitch or not as long as they don't mess with my game. Sooner or later bungie will patch this up and these people will never kill him. Banning for this reason is a joke and it's not happening...you could disconnect from your ISP anytime, this is in no way violaton of any rules. Why do you think Bungie held off the hard mode for January??? One main reason is to let people find all the exploits, and then patch them up altogether when the hard mode arrives.

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      • OK so here is my view I beat the whole thing 100% legit the first time took my group 4 hours now I have exotics (every pre-dlc Xbox one weapon and most armours) that I now have to upgrade and regain their exp. From xur so if I can beat the raid in 30 minutes and have more time to do the ROC strikes to get exp (if I got exp for the raid wouldn't mind doing it legit) and bounties. At least when they patch I know I can beat it legit but until then there are more productive things to do.

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      • Nahhhh ive done it legit the once finally, if others don't wanna whatever man.

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      • I beat the raid legit earlier with a group and they were talking about the cheese. It doesn't affect me and don't care if others do it but I won't. What's the point of playing a game to cheese it? Got Light of the Abyss and it's awesome. Murmur just became a permanent solar weapon. However, I will say I didn't consider pushing Atheon a cheese and while mostly beating him traditionally, I've also pushed. Any ledge I can die from, so can and should my enemies. It is using the environment. Not pulling a cable out or death glitching. But using level design in a fair way. My first time beating Taurus Demon in Dark Souls he took a tumble. He swung and I rolled, but I was positioned by chance in front of a narrow gap over a precipice. Fell off. It was an intentional secret and hard to execute, and happened by pure luck to me. But banned? Permanently? No. A few days or a week would be fair, but it doesn't affect me so it is what it is.

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      • A ban is a bit harsh.

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      • Edited by Limierofblood: 12/22/2014 8:50:49 AM
        I just cheesed it. But that is only because on my first and second week every time I entered that raid I recieved a baboon error. I know how fight him legit and im not afraid to but yeah I cheesed it today.

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        • So wait, a player got banned for doing a glitch Bungie left in their own game. Come on Bungie you should be working on patching it instead of worrying who you need to ban.

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        • I havent read the terms of services like 99,999% of all players so how can i judge if people broke it or not ^^

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          • Edited by D1Franco: 12/22/2014 8:54:17 AM
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            • There is no diffrent in the cheese of aetheon and the templar. Which 90% did use. Why do you care how someone else plays they paid 60 dollars same as you. i have beat both raids cheese and legit. I beat crota legit and cheese. I do t care how others play the game it has no affect on me what so ever. If they can only beat crota the cheese way have at it before they patch i will. Then i will defeat him legit as i did before

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              • Edited by GouldBerg988: 12/22/2014 8:30:49 AM
                From the progress of this poll you can clearly see that the Glitchers are pancking. More Tears for us! EDIT 1: Honest guardians are making a last stand against the Glitchists. Fight back! You are not dead yet!

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              • Tbh, a ban is a bit to hard for those noobs because at the end they punish themselves. If that glitch gets patched, they won't stand a chance (and I really hope this will get fixed soon...)

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