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12/23/2014 6:38:20 PM
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You really believe bungie can ban anyone for this? Bahahaha.. The way people found out this cheese was on accident because someone disconnected right when Crota went down. All these people are doing is recreating what happened. Theres is so many reasons this could happen to someone
1) Dad quits destiny because his child isn't listening and the child turns destiny back on and joins the game again.
2) Mom gets angered and unplugs the xbox and you hurry back onto destiny after that.
3)You accidently eject destiny and you run back on before they kill crota.
If you knew anything about coding or tech you would figure that this is a malfunction caused my the machine because of a simple fireteam error. Nothing was injected to the game and nothing is affecting the game currently. Before you make a statement check yourself.
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Exploitation of a bug in the game.
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If you haven't paid attention yet. Exploiting in game for loot isn't banning people. Going to places that shouldn't be seen yet is the only ban able offense cause you are obtaining things you shouldn't be.
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So cheating and exploiting a bug is justified because it isn't technically ban-worthy? The argument can be made that it won't get somebody banned because it's due to a technicality on Bungie's end but that doesn't mean it's fair to milk and gain an unfair advantage over something that's clearly flawed and yet to be patched. That's not how I game anyways.
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Q: What behaviors can lead Bungie to apply account restrictions or bans to a user? Bungie regards the following behavior to be in breach of the license agreement that governs Destiny, and therefore potentially subject to access restrictions: Connecting to the Destiny game service with any of the following: -Modified game software -Modified game assets -Modified console hardware -Modified console firmware -Using an external program to modify the operation of the Destiny game software (trainer or mod) -Using an external program or device to automate gameplay or circumvent idle detection -Modification or interruption of Destiny network traffic with intent to disrupt other players’ experiences or to gain advantage in the game -Intentionally deriving gameplay benefit from another user’s behavior in the above categories -Unauthorized access to Destiny software or downloadable content (game piracy) Impersonating a Bungie, Microsoft, Sony, or Activision employee It’s pretty simple, really. Nobody, especially not Bungie, wants players to miss out on Destiny. Please don’t ruin the experience for anyone, including yourself. And remember, we’re always keeping an eye out for those who would spoil the world of Destiny"
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More please! I love friendly arguing. Nobody is angered with anybody were just putting out statements and getting replies. Keep em' coming guys I'll be replying for a while. :)
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It is almost like a Socratic Seminar. :)
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Bungie tracks error codes, so they can see who gets dc because of network error vs who simply drops from a game or closes destiny mid game. If a person drops from a raid then rejoins with a different character just from rewards, then Bungie can see that because no network error was logged for that person. Doing anything that breaks the ToS and or EULA that everyone signs is basis to get banned from the game. If this new Ctota cheese does break the ToS or EULA i do not know but if it does actions can be taken, if it does not then nothing will be done.
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You can't ban someone for your game because they "randomly" got token out of the game. Bungie has no way to figure out if it was done on purpose or just an accident.
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incorrect, they have error code logs so they can keep track of why people get disconnects and can see when a person drops out of gets dc.
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Edited by NaCLy AF: 12/23/2014 6:50:21 PMReally? They can keep track of parents unplugging xboxs or quitting their kids destiny? That's what I meant not error codes.
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Bungie can tell the difference between a network error code on there end and a console network dc. A console getting turned off mid game sends a code to bungie servers that account is not active anymore so a person does not stay logged into the server ( i have seen it happen in other mmo games where a person dc but character stayed logged in for several minutes after the dc ).
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your speaking for the minority that actually are attempting to play it legit or not and accidentally triggering the glitch. however, for those who run the raid three times(one per character) each week, they will see the same network/error log three times. those are the ones aware, and abusing the glitch and if they were banned, or even reset would have no room to cry about it. but as far as bungie goes, they have never banned someone for having loose network codes. if anything the more it gets exploited the higher the importance the patch for it will become, even if they come up with a half a$sed solution that makes the raid worse, they will do it just to plug that hole. wouldnt be surprised if they released it before hard mode,
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I'm just saying there's no way bungie could ban someone without them having a reason to appeal that ban. The reasons I stated were things people could say that bungie could not say no to because they have no clue if that's what actually happened. I'm pretty sure this will be patched before the hard raid for sure though.
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Edited by Sir Patchy: 12/23/2014 6:54:36 PMHonestly do you think they will track 2.4 million players separately to see who is dcing without a error code? Use your brain...
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They don't need to "actively" track. Considering activity is logged, they simply need to make a custom query for that information. And for those accounts that meet the specific query, they can investigate further. It's how others are banned for other reasons. They just need to review logged info, they don't monitor each individual in real time. Now whether cheesing Crota is actually bannable, or is worth their time to investigate, that's a completely different story.
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Ok, thank you for enlightening me on that, I did not know it was that easy to query that info. But as I've stated before I highly doubt bungie would ban the enormous (and growing) amount of players doing this, it simply would be business suicide.
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This is an interesting case though. This glitch does require some type of system/network manipulation, which is different than using the game itself to cheese (ie: pushing Atheon). So I don't know how Bungie would view that. But since the double bounty turn-in glitch is essentially the same thing, and people arent banned for that, I would agree that I don't "think" they would ban for this either. At worse maybe a warning of some sort but not a complete ban. But I'm not Bungie, so I can't speak for them.
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You raise a good point, the double bounty glitch has been there since day one and no one is banned for it yet (to my knowledge) however crota is a bit more substantial in terms of game progression for acquiring items. So I'm sure bungie will do something about it in terms of a patch.
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They would have to recode the controls for a Fireteam Leader removing certain powers like being put first out of all the players in the script. He would probably end up being equal with the other members when the patch comes out but he would sill be recognized as the leader. It would be a mess though so I can definitely guarantee this will not be a quick fix.
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Given the time it took them to add "bumpers" to Atheon (and with limited success), I wouldn't be surprised that this could go on for a while.
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Some games have actually banned enormous groups of players at once to show the community they are serious and they will do whatever it takes to shutdown any negative players or hackers. In this case though there are no hackers or negative players. I can guarantee 95% of those cheesers know nothing about coding.
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Most people are banned for investigation that is true. You normally don't get banned for a certain reason until you have been investigated for 2-3 days which is while your account is banned.
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not activelly tracking it, but once enough complaints get logged about it, then they can recheck who got network error codes and take action from there.
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Edited by NaCLy AF: 12/23/2014 7:16:38 PMActually you would think that but after a while logs are deleted, No game out there has enough data to hold every log so they have a time limit on each log list to decide when it should be deleted, but bungie can't look through your kinect to see what is really happening to your xbox they can only guess it was you causing it but if you say your parents quit destiny from the dashboard then more then likely they have to honor that.
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logs getting deleted is very true, but seeing as the crota raid is so new, i'm sure they still have all the logs for that time period. as a ban idk if that will happen simply because of the ammount of people that are doing it, but a roll back on there accounts would be do-able, so they lose all rewards from crotas raid.
