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originally posted in:Dads of Destiny
12/26/2014 2:10:00 AM
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Opinions on this ddos
So a quick question here guys and some feed back wanted. If today is the result of another ddos attack like last night was, then that means psn was down on the two biggest nights of the year, Christmas and Christmas eve.
From everything ive read, ddos attacks cannot be prevented or immediately stopped once they begin. Does that mean that any time some one gets pissed at sony they can just ddos them and completely shut down psn till its fixed? And once its fixed couldnt they just keep doing it indefinitely to keep the servers off line?
I seriously feel like we are at the mercy of the people that do this and the psn can be held hostage any time some one feels like it. Is the answer of " ddos attacks cannot be prevented" a good enough answer from sony about this? Im really considering selling my ps4 and xbone if this is the case. Can anyone shed some more light on this or tell me if im right or wrong with my info up top? Also your thoughts and opinions on all of this.
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Ddos attacks can be prevented anyone in IT security can tell you that. I spent 7 years working for a DOD (armed forces not dads) logistics center and our sites were under attack everyday by multiple countries...and yet we were able to maintain 24x7 uptime. The company I currently work for (8 years) provides services for a number of large financial institutions... 2 things are required to prevent this 1) investment in perimeter technology and 2) techs that know their sh*t, this is exactly why I do what I do...I despise hackers..if you want to really show how smart you are do something f*ng worthwhile...the only people that suffer from outages like this are working folks and their families...but these aholes just sit in their mama's basement tweeting how great they are while carrying out one of the easiest attacks possible...hope you all get herpes from your love dolls..and Sony spend some of the damn cash you are taking from peoples pockets and secure your damn perimeter...w/ ps3 I was like "ok I mean its free so you get what you pay for" but with ps4 they told everyone they were charging so they could provide a better network.....don't piss on my back and tell me its raining.
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Interview with Lizardsquat
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Looks like its time to bust the cherry on my dragonage 2...
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Here is what this attack looks like: (guess where the servers are located - St. Louis (PSN) Seatle (XBL) http://map.ipviking.com/
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Wait...a....minute.... i think its back up here in canada...not sure for how long though...
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3 RepliesMy oldest son cant get online with his xbox one....message says they are having technical difficulties but my younger son has no problems with his xbox 360.... didnt even know they could do that....
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1 ReplyYou can prevent crime. You can reduce the opportunities for criminals to take advantage of a situation. You can run scenarios to intact a quick resolution (after the fact). You can create stiffer laws and penalties but no, you can't prevent a person form doing something like this.
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Best comparison I have read... Imagine you are waiting for a call for job offer and some people don't like you. So they start using 20 different phones to call you throughout the day, and the job offer call receives a busy signal. This is the same thing on a much larger scale. All they are really doing is no different than you hitting the refresh button really fast over and over on your browser. Except, their scripts do not wait for a response and run a request every millisecond (or close to it). It is extremely difficult to detect what traffic is from a ddos attack, and which is from a legitimate source. Also, there is ip spoofing and all other kinds of masking of the source that hides the true source of the request. So, when traffic ramps up, frontend software may respond with a message that it can't receive any more traffic. Legitimate sources can say "ok, i won't send any more requests", but malicious sources will keep on sending. This can help isolate the malicious sources and just drop requests from them. Sony and Microsoft are just today's targets. The fun will pass and and the attackers will get bored and/or move on to other sites.
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My opinions my not count as I am not tech savvy. But what I can't believe is Sony and Microsoft do not have people smart enough to address this issue.
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7 RepliesEdited by EventualTitan97: 12/26/2014 2:57:01 AMHere's the fundamental problem -- too many people on the internet are VERY lax or unconcerned about security. Take a look at this paper done in 2012 -- http://internetcensus2012.bitbucket.org/paper.html. The guy just used a search that checked for the default username and password and found 300,000+ open routers on the internet!! And, that is only of this one particular kind of router. I mean this is shocking that people don't even change their default password! So, imagine the more malicious person taking advantage of this, as well as attacking other computers as well with malware and such. That person could easily have control of several millions of computers. Now, he just has to ask each of the millions of computers to send garbage data to clog up the xbox or psn servers, so you can see how this can be very difficult to protect against. Remember, this will be a malicious attack, so each of the millions of computers is now sending a million times more data (or at least several hundred thousands...) to the xbox/psn servers. The servers suddenly see a load of several million million times more than they normally see. Of course they will become overloaded. The main fault is in all of us, being too lazy or forgetful, leaving our computers and routers open to all these script kiddies.
