[b]HOW IT HAPPENED[/b]-Derp, the Hunter, was a low level. A really low level. Herp, the Titan, is a high level, with great armor. They are in Iron Banner, so they're not leveled out. When Herp goes for FoH, he's wearing an exotic that increases his defense while havoking. He also, has the skill tree point that increases his defense while havoking. And, to top it off, he just melee'd a guy, which gave him a shield. So, do to [i]minor[/i] lag and [i]major[/i] defenses on Herp's side, and low attack on Derp's side, Herp was not killed. Anyways, Derp forgot the golden (gun) rule: Double Tap. [EDIT] Well golly gee I don't use Strikers I didn't know they don't have a shield