#8 i guess, ive beaten it multiple times legit. At a certain point the raid just becomes another grind. And i treat every grind the same - work smarter, not harder, get it done as fast as possible because there are hours and hours to grind away on other shit in the game. If the group im in wants to do it legit i will but if the randoms who invite me off LFG want to cheese i'm not gonna rage out of the game and waste time looking for another party to do it with. This game isn't life, try not to get so butthurt because others do things differently from you.