I am going to comment here and try to stay as impartial as possible. Whichever opinion you hold onto, there is never any reason to resort to violence. In this case, I refer to the insulting, derogatory remarks that are displayed here. Legit gameplay or cheesing gameplay; it doesn't matter. Bungie should fix what Bungie will fix. They listen to comments and reports and make their own decisions. Feel free to voice your opinions. A free country is a free country. But with that privilege should and does come responsibility. Not everyone likes everyone. That's fine. But flaming others will not make your point heard. It will simply be ignored. This goes for both the original poster and any repliers. Original Poster: It is my firm OPINION that you are in fact taking away from the game. This is how. The "cheeses" you are mentioning are not game breaking. They are a part of the game. Oblivion Elder Scrolls was a perfect example. Bethesda eventually cleaned out the glitches (most of them) but like it or not, they added hundreds upon hundreds of additional gamers. Getting higher than the buildings using paint brushes? Game breaking? No, but a hell of a lot of fun. Cheating? An interesting analogy someone once used was "The Matrix". Was Neo cheating? (Forgive the fantastical analogy but we are talking about a video game here). Sure he was. But he was the good guy. There are those who cheese. Why? Because they can and they want to explore the game and all of its mechanics to the full. Easier than legit? Lol. Not likely. The Crota cheese from what I've heard can take several attempts and can still be soured by an incompetent player. The lamps? Lol again. I've seen dozens of wipes from failed attempts. Bungie has not and will not ban for "cheesing". Why? Because they don't care. Jailbreak your xbox? Edit the code of the game? Different story but based mainly on copyright issues. Giving them cheeses to fix only makes the game better. Very few cheeses in the VoG now but every player I meet isn't pissed, but fondly reminisces about Atheon's shoddy footwork. It's fun. And every game will have it. And should have it. It's the journey. I am a "legit 32" and have 2 "legit 31s". Who cares? Bungie has clearly shown they don't. They cared about people connecting. Not about what they did when they got there. Months it took to correct cheeses. They wanted people to play their game. Who cares why or how? (As long as it is done legally of course). No offence to be take here. Just my opinion. To the replier: Although I agree with some of your thoughts, I completely disagree with your approach. Insulting, derogatory comments only make yourself look juvenile. (Feel free to call me names for saying this and thus proving my point). Just as Bungie doesn't care about "cheesing", why do you care so much about what a faceless poster says? Caring so much to get emotional? I saw Hitler being mentioned here. Seriously? A little too much melo drama for a XBone post. And hurtful too. So both sides, just relax. Enjoy the game. Bungie has not released even a statement saying, "Please don't cheese Crota. It hurts our feelings". They won't. They'll fix the glitches and try to refine the experience they hope everyone will enjoy. But there will be people who enjoy it different ways. The VoG to this day is till filled with surprises. I doubt we have found them all. We haven't even found the legit things to cheese yet. But we will. And we will cheese them. And Bungie will fix it. Then we will legit do it again. We love this game. We will play it through trial and fire and cheese and whine. (Lol). On a side note...please don't involve the "skill" discussion when talking about cheesing or doing it legit. Skill can be measured many different ways. Technically, video game testers are very "skilled" and yet essentially one of the aspects of their jobs is to cheese indefinitely. Crucible? Vanguard? Raid? Skill where? If it discomforts you to play with "cheesers", expand your friends list or create a recruitment forum for "non-cheesers". Enjoy all and have a wonderful day. My GamerTag is MasterAtreu on XBL and I play XBone all the time. I am highly experienced and "skilled". Lol. At what? You pick. Hit me up no matter what you're doing. I love to PLAY and don't take this seriously. I seriously regret spending this much time on a single post, but hey was waiting for a strike to start. Peace out!