haha lol i actually agree with you there everyone that's been chipping away at this game from early days should be able to do hard vault by now i must admit the other night i was doing the normal raid with my little cousin whos a lvl 27 and we were in a group of 6 where i was the only one who had done the vault before it was hard to get them organised i guess this is what it was like the first time i ever went through the vault and someone had to tell me how. I must admit these days so many people want to "cheese crota" that its almost to much effort to try to find a group to do it legit.