And yet warlocks with self res can pull off the many glitches that makes the game easier for the team.

The build of the warlock player should be appropriate to the situation. For example - VoG hard raid it is entirely appropriate to have self res so that in the event of your death, and I'm sure you die in the raid just like everyone else, you can return and continue to help the team. Crota battle, however, death not only inconveniences everyone but can interrupt key moments in the battle by generating an oversoul. At this point coming back doesn't ease the situation, besides adding DPS to the OS, so playing in a very safe manner to avoid being downed at all is more appropriate. In the first instance I will use Fireborn. In the second I would absolutely look to reduce my incoming damage when being aggressive to generate orbs. Your one size fits all attitude is a detriment to yourself and your raiding party. My attitude and my team mates' attitudes means that we are flexible and competent in a variety of situations. Every one person knows that changing their load outs is required for different activities.

Useful for when people like you cause a FT wipe and I have to use it in order to actually complete a PUG VOG NM

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Lets see...Self rez when the rest of the team is dead. Prevents the wipe and while you are burning with the force of a thousand suns and respawning your dead team,the moment they pop back into existance radiance is now reducing the cooldown times on all of their abilities as well. Sounds like a pretty damn supportive roll to me. Flame shield from melee attacks and if there is a smart titan in the group then a bubble shield will be coming down shortly from all the melee orbs I just dropped for him to further aid the team and get us back on track.

Dear confused OP, This may come as a surprise to someone of your grandeur, but I'll do my best to explain it in a way a five year old could grasp. Video games, with Destiny not being any exception, are meant to be played for entertainment. Entertainment is this big word we adults use to explain what FUN is (ya know F is for friends who do stuff together?). If you have never experienced the raw adrenaline it is to save an entire raid crew in the last few seconds of hope, then you have no room to talk (and I feel bad for you, because it is so badass). Not everyone has the same skill level or the time or the patience to tackle the muscle memory mechanics of each and every aspect of the content in this game. Wanna know what else OP? Connection error? Don't worry, lock's got your back. Unexpected lag spikes? Pfff guess what I've been saving my GD super for... Someone's kid needs an emergency diaper change? Just tell me when... Why? Because my super is worth the manpower of 2 players instead of one. What OP needs to consider is that playing as a warlock with self res is actually one of the more selfless things one could do in PvE. Seems to me like the trigger pulls of your weapon can't satisfy protecting your team enough... otherwise you wouldn't be complaining about wipes...

Obviously you have played with some people who pissed you off. Otherwise you wouldnt have bothered with this thread. Im a warlock who does put on self res when it is needed. There are a few situations that ill explain. 1) Crota Raid Traversing the Abyss: If your group, including yourself, have trouble staying alive on the bridge pad a self revive might be your saving grace. A warlock and titan unlike a hunter have supers, nova bomb and fist of havoc which do not last longer than 8 seconds. This makes the self revive a long term back up used to "possibly" save a team in a situation where a teams fire power or teamwork fails. 2) Vault of Glass (majority of raid): Running with a team that has insufficient fire power, or experience, can put a lot of pressure on players. Sometimes it gets the better of you as you attempt to bite off more than is possible. Sometimes youre forced to carry a team in situations that no class using any super will last to the end. This gives a warlock an interesting choice. Use self revive and stay alive while completing your object, or run a super like nova or radiant skin etc and hope to pull it off. So while one could argue a team might last longer with a warlock creating orbs, most experienced warlocks are actually planning for the worst. Warlocks who die a lot, or you could just say are playing more casually, should use it so we can keep them in the game.

You must be a blade dancing or golden gun hunter hunter... They are all about help the team. I am not going to use my self-res and wait for my fireteam to applaud me for not using it in the nightfall...

Lol noob scrub. Scrub a dub dub, This guy is a plug. Thinks he's so cool, While everyone sees A neckbeard tool. If he knew how to play, He'd find value in all, But he'd rather bitch in his moms basement, Jerking his balls. -Taco

To address 1 thing first : it's sh*t for pvp imo, you would rather take something that gets you kills over preventing death in most scenarios. But as for the rest , I don't play as a warlock but I find your post pretty ignorant and narrow minded. Playstyles vary depending on your class/subsclass , that's how it should be. If your a fragile hunter who has to play a cautious cat and mouse game or a Sunsinger who can go agressive and tow the line, everyone has their role to play and times when they are effective. The Ability itself is not what makes someone weak. If someone is weak, it's inspite of the ability.

People who use it poorly are bad, I use self res in raids all the time but if the time feels right I'll still pop my super, like if I see enough orbs to immediately get it back or early in a boss fight to get the orbs going for others. People who hold it endlessly are nubbing it but if you know when it's safe to use your super and when to hold onto it then it's definitely still helpful

I do apologize for generating 10+ orbs when I have to use radiance to get to you when I revive you because you wandered into a horrible position.

I'm so sorry that if we wipe I can revive you all I'm just not a team player though