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Edited by Jonesy:
1/7/2015 7:33:32 PM
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I'm going to call you out on not doing it legit right now. If you have ever done bridge legit, you will know it is by no means easier then Deathsinger phase. You have to get 3 players over with a sword, each one must kill a gatekeeper that can easily kill them, even if they are level 32. If one dies, next person has 2 gatekeepers to kill. Once 3 are over, the 3 on far side must now hold bridge up while under fire, enemies include ultras while you have to get minimum 2 more over to even begin sequence with ogres. Without minimum 5 over, ogres will not spawn. Once 5/6 make it across, you can't simply hide and kill shit as the Totems will randomly charge up, even without a player on platform, making it so you have to be out in the fight with thralls meleeing you, boomers and wizards firing at you (some of which are ultras) and 2 ogres that are a near instant kill on a 32 still, both of which are ultras.
That's assuming everyone made it without dying. What happens if 2 people back at spawn are the only 2 left and both die? Well, entire team has to wipe as there is no way to go back to revive them since Swordbearer isn't on your side.
Odds are, without proper team work, you're going to wipe over and over. Deathsinger on the other hand can be solo'd easily without cheeses, whereas Bridge is risky as hell and will have a few wipes before you can manage a solo on it without cheesing.
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So you're calling me out on not doing it legit simply because I claim I am a hunter and can go invisible. Yes, I am telling you that I think that section is that easy. Maybe you can put it into perspective and realize people are good at different things. For example, I don't find that the confluxes in VoG are the hardest part but many people do.
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Edited by Jonesy: 1/7/2015 8:02:33 PMMy hunter is my main, so if you don't mind, stop assuming things. I'm not calling out hunters anywhere. I'm calling out you not doing the bridge legit. Legit means, building the bridge, killing the swordbearer once bridge is built, cross bridge, kill Gatekeeper, repeat process till all but 1 player minimum is across to activate ogre sequence, survive onslaught of ogre ultras, wizard ultras, knight ultras, normal wizards, normal knights, normal acolytes and a buttload of thrall and cursed thrall until ogres are dead, while making sure Totems don't overload. You keep saying "sniping while invisible" here, but invisibility will only protect you for so long and you can't just hide back sniping as Totems overload, even without middle platform activated, so you would have to be down in the fray, not sitting idly on the side line. So if you did do this phase legitly, you would be aware of all these mechanics. However, if you cheese the bridge and snipe ogres from one side, you would never have known there were extra mechanics in play if someone was across the bridge with the ogres. Cheesers are lucky as hell those totems don't overload until all but 1 player is across. And the confluxes as an example on finding certain things easy or not? Confluxes are simple, especially the left side that everyone wants 2-3 players guarding. 1 Fatebringer on a level 32 with Ghorn for Minotaurs means easy solo on left conflux. I'm all down to see your skill on confluxes too, anytime I'm on, just send me invite. I'll be the judge of your "confluxes are easy".
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You do realize that with Don't touch me, I can go invisible when I get hit, which makes it even more viable for me to go down into the fray. I can literally make myself always invisible. With specific gear equipped, I can also have 100% melee cooldown which allows me to use Blink Strike for invisibility very often. I used this invisibility build specifically for PvE because it practically makes me untouchable. And since I do this with a fireteam, things become even easier when I have a Defender on my fireteam. Really, with a good fireteam, most of the phases are very easy, and some are solo-able.
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Edited by Jonesy: 1/7/2015 8:14:54 PMYou do realize Don't Touch Me works when you're melee'd, not just hit by anything, right? Don't Touch Me won't turn you invisible for shit when you have Wizards, Knights and Ogres raining a hellstorm of plasma on your ass. Honestly, you're speaking as if I don't own a Hunter. Let me make this more clear as you simply over read it prior. [b]My main is my HUNTER[/b]. I have all the exotics maxed out, including Don't Touch Me, my Bladedancer is set to maximum invisibility perks possible, I know how it all works. Trust me, you're invisibility will work on Thralls, it won't work as well as it did in Lamp Section as it will for Bridge. Second, I never said they were impossible, I'm completely aware of solos as I have already done CE solo myself quite a few times, even without invisibility. Guess what, all solos I did on CE were with my Hunter too! I know how easy and broken this raid is, but if you plan to do legit with a team or as a solo, bridge is by far harder than Deathsinger. Bridge requires skill, otherwise, you will easily die. Deathsinger requires timing which is actually very easy to do on her. If you follow the routine method, she'll be downed without any problems at all.
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Honestly, it works for me. If I have to run around, crouch, or blink strike to go invisible I will. Sure you have a hunter, too, but this is my playstyle and I've gotten good at it. I have all the time in the world to do the bridge section, so it's no problem going invisible when I have to. Invisibility is Null if the Deathsinger phase because it's timed. I usually switch to Gunslinger here to increase my reload and stability, but I prefer my Invisibility build. Therefore, any phase that allows me to use Invisibility is easy for me, and any phase that isn't requires me to use a playstyle I don't really like. I'm just saying, this is how I see things. I don't really care if other people disagree. We all have different strengths and weaknesses. At least this conversation is more reasonable than the guy down there who called me a cheater because I can walk through the 1st phase while being invisible.
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You only need 1 across to spawn them
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Edited by Jonesy: 1/7/2015 8:17:14 PMNot true at all. You need 1 across to spawn mobs. You need entire team but 1 across to allow ogres to spawn. Team of 2? 1 needs to cross for Ogres to spawn. Team of 3? 2 need to cross. Team of 4? 3 need to cross. Etc.
