I've done both raids.... VoG more than CE and actually doing the raid, not cheesing. With CE every group I've been in practically forced cheesing. I'm on 360 as well as a clan mate that would like to help / learn. I'm on most nights of the week when the ole lady works and can find time if necessary. Send me a friends req. On Xbox if you want, I'm always down to help out if I can. Tag - Unsent Soul