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1/24/2015 6:16:52 PM
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Not being content with your gender, is like not being content that the sky is blue.
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What if I want an Emerald Green sky.
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Or a vanilla sky [spoiler]😎[/spoiler]
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Edited by Recon Number 54: 1/24/2015 8:54:56 PMWhile the sky may be blue, and most people are fine with that, if someone feels a strong desire to "see things differently", they have the ability to alter their own personal experience. Until recently, people who were born with/without an X chromosome and yet felt "this isn't me" were limited to tranvestitism (cross-dressing) and adopting behaviors that we more "in line with how I consider myself to be". That was the case for thousands of years, there's plenty of evidence of it occurring, and depending on the society they were in, their acceptance by others varied from culture to culture. Today? Now that we have modern medical abilities, such individuals have many more options just "put on the clothes and adopt the mannerisms that make them feel more accurate to their desires". They can each decide how/what they want to change, and find something that best suits themselves. Even to the point of body alteration. Surgery, implants, hormonal treatments, etc. can allow someone who "blue is not their preferred color for the sky" to try for something that will bring them to "a better place than I was in before".
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Edited by cxkxr: 1/24/2015 9:14:12 PMI get that, and people can be as discontent with the cards they're dealt as they want, and do whatever they need to do to alter that hand to their liking. However, I just personally find it selfish and counter-productive. I think it would be more rational, healthy, and productive to accept that the sky is blue, and that it is beautiful, instead of shaking your fist towards the air wondering why it couldn't have been red.
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I would argue me being able to actually be who i am in society will make more productive. I have started transition and have since been much much more willing to work for a better life and be able to make others lives better. You say I should accept what I have and deal with it? Some things can not be dealt with by laying down your arms and accepting you can't change something. I am dealing with it I am transitioning and making my life and those around me better they are not worrying about me anymore. How am i selfish for making the change that will benefit everyone around me. They want me to be happy and doing this makes them feel at ease. Those that do not do anything about it are selfish they cause their families to suffer with them. Just my point of view I try to be productive as anyone else.
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Edited by cxkxr: 1/26/2015 10:17:56 PM[quote]Those that do not do anything about it are selfish they cause their families to suffer with them.[/quote] That's only true if you're discontent with the reality of who you are in the first place, which is what is selfish. I'm arguing, not that one shouldn't try to do something, but to not have the need to do something in the first place. Productivity could have started long ago.
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But you don't see it as a need. I ask you to look up more about what it mean and why transition is a thing that works. It is a brain defect you can not just let a brain defect be and live with it because you do not do that. Just as you give a schizophrenic anti-physcotics we transition because it is the only proven way to help us function in society. I know not many people really know what it is to be transgender so I guess all I ask is to research a little more about it.
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Edited by cxkxr: 1/27/2015 1:28:09 AMWell, you can't do anything about schizo, but you can choose to accept that you are what you are. It may be a defect, but I don't personally think it's the same as a permanent mental disorder. This is just my opinion of course, I don't know what goes on in the mind of a trans, but I believe that if there is a will there is a way. I believe one's conscious is their own, and not their body's. My biology may tell me that I neeed to see naked girls to fulfill my lust, but I also can tell that urge to fk off, bc it's my mind, and I decide what my mind thinks. But if you say it's a permanent disorder like schizo, then you're saying your thought process is actually wrong, yes? And if it is wrong, then shouldn't it be something to correct?
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Edited by ShpadoinkleBeks: 1/27/2015 1:51:28 AMHow can you say I can just accept who I am? Do you think gays can just accept being straight? I was born a way that I can not cope with on a social or productive level. Dysphoria causes disabling thoughts and actions that cripples ones ability to live. The schizo can get medicine that can calm the brain and we can get hormones to change ours surgery would not matter without those hormonal changes that rid most of the dysphoric thoughts. Both are used to make us more productive why is how we go about it wrong? I do fix it until I can change my brain physically to be in a males body I fix my body that matches a brain wired for female hormones because the former is not available and I need to finish college this is helping me. In utero mammals brains are the last thing to be masculinized by hormones after genitals and body and in rats it was proven that stopping the flow of testosterone in that phase causes a male rate to behave like a female rat a transgender rat if you will.
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Edited by cxkxr: 1/27/2015 1:59:12 AMWell, I don't like to think gay people or trans people have a permanent mental disorder; I like to think that they're adults who choose to live their lives the way they want. Biology may influence how they choose to live their life, but I don't think for a second that it determines it. And right, since we generally treat disorders with drugs that 'normalize' the imabalance in the brain, shouldn't we treat trans and gays the same way? Why don't they seek to fix the hormone problem?
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You can think that all you want but the fact is their brains are permanently changed due to problems in the womb. Like I said if we can fix this I am all for it but that science does not exist so because it doesn't means I can't use the methods that do? Please instead of thinking you know how we think and what we can do how about you do research what causes these problems. It is not a choice gays cannot physically or mentally be with the other sex that is all there is too it. I cannot physically or mentally live as a man and I do what is done to fix that. If you can show me a gay or trans person who can just accept the problem and not live as they need and I will be more open but your view is not the facts.
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Edited by cxkxr: 1/27/2015 2:10:40 AMThere's hormonal drugs out there, if hormones are the problem. And there's plenty of gay people who gave up that lifestyle after turning to Christ. I personally don't think you need Christ to change your lifestyle and preference, but it probably helps. And sorry, but I will continue to believe in the power of one's conscience to choose, bc I refuse to view gays and trans to have a mental disorder. And I don't think I know how you think, I clearly stated that I don't earlier.
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Edited by ShpadoinkleBeks: 1/27/2015 2:14:41 AMYeah they are denying who they are and it is either they were not gay or they are lying to themselves because pray the gay away DOES NOT work. I am taking hormonal drugs female drugs they are working. These drugs you speak of that would make fix my brain do not exist. If we monitor pregnancies and make sure noting goes wrong then we would stop this thing from happening but those that are born? We do what we can.
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Edited by cxkxr: 1/27/2015 2:13:56 AMNo, it does work. Stop, pretending like you know what's happened in the mind of a convert. Furthermore, would it be "denying who you truly are" if a schizo wanted to be normal, and did? Would you tell a cured schizo, "stop denying who you are?" Or "stop lying to yourself"?
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Edited by ShpadoinkleBeks: 1/27/2015 2:24:45 AMA schizo cannot just be normal their brain does not allow them. As for those conversions I am telling you it does not work their are so many stories of suicides attributed to pray the gay away camps. Simply surrendering to god does not fix a brains problems those people struggle and are most likely miserable their whole lives. It does not fix anything it just buries the issue which is what you want us to do. If a person who has schizophrenia can function then they do not need to be helped but it is a disorder that cannot be cured. Because a person says they are cured doesn't mean anything in terms of conversation because you do not know that persons motives for doing so. Converting is denying who you are because you no longer use science or reason to explain your behavior. I have nothing against religion but it causes those to suppress problems that need addressing.
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Edited by cxkxr: 1/27/2015 2:37:58 AMOkay, let's use another mental disorder, like ADHD, or depression. Are people with ADHD or Depression, "denying who they are" if they want to be normal, and did? And, you should actually listen to the testimonies of converts, because they say they're happier than they've ever been. I never heard of "pray the gay away" lol, it sounds silly, and that's not how salvation works.
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Edited by ShpadoinkleBeks: 1/27/2015 2:36:24 AMBut those two disorders can either be fixed or helped with drugs and therapy. People who deny they have these problems are only hurting themselves. They can be depressed or have ADHD all they want but most want to cure it.... You have plenty of testimony that says conversion makes them happy i have plenty of testimony that says being away from those restrictions that religion brings makes them happy. Those that say that were not truly gay to begin with then. If you are gay you cannot just change like that ask any gay person! Those people most likely experimented like everyone does and felt sick afterwards proving they were not wired to be gay. I have listened to them and they sound to not correlate with how I know my community to think and act but It is true I can't say it doesn't work but it is not based in any evidence whatsoever other than cause and effect and in good science other variables must be taken into account.
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[quote]Those that say that were not truly gay to begin with then. If you are gay you cannot just change like that ask any gay person! Those people most likely experimented like everyone does and felt sick afterwards proving they were not wired to be gay.[/quote] This is so naive, sorry. Let me ask you, having too much female hormones and not enough male hormones at birth is what causes trans/gay, right?
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Edited by ShpadoinkleBeks: 1/27/2015 2:44:55 AMHow it is based on science gays can't just change their behavior without great struggle throughout their lives. And no not exactly. When it comes to males the mother did not give enough testosterone for a masculine brain. And in females yes trans men exist they got way to much testosterone. Testosterone breaks down into estrogen it is why both sexes get it in the womb.
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Edited by cxkxr: 1/27/2015 2:47:38 AMScience says nothing of the sort. If they found a gay gene of some sort, that would be a different story, but there is none. And again, many gays have converted, you simply denying it is not a refutation against them. Okay, since too much female hormones at birth is what causes your disorder, why do you perpetrate it even further?
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Edited by ShpadoinkleBeks: 1/27/2015 2:54:51 AMI never said that did I I said not enough testosterone.....and yes there are studies that say that there are gay people that say this. It is proven you cannot change your sexuality. Those that converted are still gay they just deny it simple as that. You do not need a gene for these things to be a factor. The developing brain did not work no genes needed to supply this evidence it is the wrong distribution of chemicals no gene is needed to do this. Genes are only one factor in mental problems. You clearly do not know about the subject yet you assert that you know how these people work. I take hormones because science has proven those that do are much more able to cognitively function.
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Edited by cxkxr: 1/27/2015 2:56:54 AMNo, it's been proven that many have changed their sexuality, you merely look the other way or make excuses for them. What you're describing is a belief, not a scientific fact. Okay, If a lack of testosterone(male-hormones) is what causes your disorder, why don't you take testosterone hormones? Seems kinda backwards to me.
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Because my brain is wired for those hormones! Those conversions are not proof it is one persons testimony while the proof that homosexuality can't be changed is in many studies and how we understand how the problem works. People saying they have changed their sexuality proves nothing because it can't be proven. If it could be changed no one would -blam!-ing do this dude! Do you think I would put up with bigots and dicks all day long if I could just be a man? Being gay or trans is not pleasant at all it is not glamorous. I have to deal with so much shit doing what I do and I do it because their is no other option. Those that convert do it to stop those dicks but it does not fix the problem. Do you see what I am getting at? Doing what we do sucks it is a horrible time but it is worth it because it mean I am healthy and level headed. God does not work for fixing that problem it only suppresses it. Why would we want all these rights if we can just be "normal".
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I disagree.
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I'm done it is clear you think we all choose to be this way all I can say is look up the facts and try to learn and be open to it because you don't seem to want to. I am open to those conversion stories but none have proven to me that it works.
