Okay, let's use another mental disorder, like ADHD, or depression. Are people with ADHD or Depression, "denying who they are" if they want to be normal, and did? And, you should actually listen to the testimonies of converts, because they say they're happier than they've ever been. I never heard of "pray the gay away" lol, it sounds silly, and that's not how salvation works.

But those two disorders can either be fixed or helped with drugs and therapy. People who deny they have these problems are only hurting themselves. They can be depressed or have ADHD all they want but most want to cure it.... You have plenty of testimony that says conversion makes them happy i have plenty of testimony that says being away from those restrictions that religion brings makes them happy. Those that say that were not truly gay to begin with then. If you are gay you cannot just change like that ask any gay person! Those people most likely experimented like everyone does and felt sick afterwards proving they were not wired to be gay. I have listened to them and they sound to not correlate with how I know my community to think and act but It is true I can't say it doesn't work but it is not based in any evidence whatsoever other than cause and effect and in good science other variables must be taken into account.

[quote]Those that say that were not truly gay to begin with then. If you are gay you cannot just change like that ask any gay person! Those people most likely experimented like everyone does and felt sick afterwards proving they were not wired to be gay.[/quote] This is so naive, sorry. Let me ask you, having too much female hormones and not enough male hormones at birth is what causes trans/gay, right?

How it is based on science gays can't just change their behavior without great struggle throughout their lives. And no not exactly. When it comes to males the mother did not give enough testosterone for a masculine brain. And in females yes trans men exist they got way to much testosterone. Testosterone breaks down into estrogen it is why both sexes get it in the womb.

Science says nothing of the sort. If they found a gay gene of some sort, that would be a different story, but there is none. And again, many gays have converted, you simply denying it is not a refutation against them. Okay, since too much female hormones at birth is what causes your disorder, why do you perpetrate it even further?

I never said that did I I said not enough testosterone.....and yes there are studies that say that there are gay people that say this. It is proven you cannot change your sexuality. Those that converted are still gay they just deny it simple as that. You do not need a gene for these things to be a factor. The developing brain did not work no genes needed to supply this evidence it is the wrong distribution of chemicals no gene is needed to do this. Genes are only one factor in mental problems. You clearly do not know about the subject yet you assert that you know how these people work. I take hormones because science has proven those that do are much more able to cognitively function.

No, it's been proven that many have changed their sexuality, you merely look the other way or make excuses for them. What you're describing is a belief, not a scientific fact. Okay, If a lack of testosterone(male-hormones) is what causes your disorder, why don't you take testosterone hormones? Seems kinda backwards to me.

Because my brain is wired for those hormones! Those conversions are not proof it is one persons testimony while the proof that homosexuality can't be changed is in many studies and how we understand how the problem works. People saying they have changed their sexuality proves nothing because it can't be proven. If it could be changed no one would -blam!-ing do this dude! Do you think I would put up with bigots and dicks all day long if I could just be a man? Being gay or trans is not pleasant at all it is not glamorous. I have to deal with so much shit doing what I do and I do it because their is no other option. Those that convert do it to stop those dicks but it does not fix the problem. Do you see what I am getting at? Doing what we do sucks it is a horrible time but it is worth it because it mean I am healthy and level headed. God does not work for fixing that problem it only suppresses it. Why would we want all these rights if we can just be "normal".

I'm done it is clear you think we all choose to be this way all I can say is look up the facts and try to learn and be open to it because you don't seem to want to. I am open to those conversion stories but none have proven to me that it works.